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General Discussion
#1

I just wanted to make a short posting to let everyone know how I’m doing because I really don’t have my own personal thread and because I’m a tad bored and have some free time on my hands…

Firstly, I just want to say that I’m doing much much better, especially in the sexual department, which is what I’m sure most of you are focused on anyways. Also, I’d like to say that what I’m going to propose is highly controversial to the likes of MEW/AWOR/OSCAR/TIM… You know the small minded ones who think this problem is some type of gene mutation or something crazy along those lines, I never listened to their nonsense regardless bc they put their faith in mainstream medicine, which is a complete joke.

So just how good am I feeling? Well, I can get full erections and fuck my girlfriend with or without a condom with no trouble at all. I can aroused instantly (full boner) from just a 20 second make out session, so I think I’m quite well off in the sexual department. This has not wavered over the past month or so, and I only anticipate it getting much better from here on out.

So how did all of this come about? Well I’m under the assumption that what were dealing with is an immune problem, and I, like JN, believe that “pfs” is really just under the chronic fatigue syndrome umbrella… That’s why no one thing works for everyone… We are all different with different but also similar issues. IMO it makes no difference whether we took finasteride or antibiotics or in my case, both. Believe me I’ve been to plenty of forums who have young men who have E.D issues and they didnt take finasteride. In our cases, finasteride was just a trigger to break an immune system that was already near breakage. I know all of you think that you were perfectly healthy before finasteride but honestly if you think that then you’re just kidding yourselves. I myself thought I was perfectly healthy before finasteride bc I had a strong libido ,4% body fat, and was jacked as a mo fo… But I also had bad acne, social anxiety, and miner bowel problems… OH and hair loss…if you had hair loss you obviously weren’t healthy lol… I’m sorry, but I just don’t believe its genetic per say. It’s more dependent on lifestyle and what you put in your body and the fact that our healthcare system is an absolute joke.

So how did I get my dick to start working good again? Two words… PALEO LIFESTYLE…IE: DIET. Firstly, I kicked off my diet with a 1.5 month BONE BROTH (HAS TO BE 100% GRASS FED!!!) and veggie ONLY diet. Yes I essentially ate beef broth and FAT (cholesterol) for 1.5 months. About 3 weeks in I started to notice that I was able to get aroused easily by watching porn and my erections were strong and back to normal for the most part. The keys to this diet:

A. The body NEEDS cholesterol. Because… you know… It’s pretty much what cells are made of…
B. It doesn’t put a lot of strain on your digestive system. The fat, amino acids, and magnesium were all extremely absorb-able by this diet.
C. It allows the digestive system to heal itself, because of the what? The cholestero…l because the stomach is made of what? cells… I’m sure all of you have digestive issues, leaky gut for one… This diet will do wonders for that and constipation. Being on this diet did wonders for my constipation.
D. I’m sorry but fasting is moronic. Our ancestors didnt fast because they wanted to… They did it because they HAD to (lack of food)… lol If you’re fasting to get rid of candida or gut dybiosis, I honestly doubt it will work for you unless you go the IHATEPROPECIA extreme route. Main reason is because you starve the good bacteria as well when you do that… Ultimately the good bacteria have to be strong enough to overtake candida.

Now a diet like this isnt something you want to do forever so I started to work back in, fish, eggs, vegetable, fruit, and kefir. SLOWLY, not all at once. That way you will be able to figure out if certain foods are giving you trouble like eggs or dairy. I also took around 100 billion probiotics a day and drink lots of Kefir. Now a big thing for me was removing GLUTEN and GRAINS all together (wheat, barley, oats etc)… Gluten was big for me because I have Hashimoto’s (auto-immune thyroid disorder). Basically it’s comes about when one takes antibiotics, thus lowering immunity, thus impairing the immune system. Thus, confusing the body because the protein structure of gluten, very closely resembles the structure of the thyroid gland, so the body mounts an attack on the thryoid gland every time you eat gluten. Gluten was a very big aspect of my diet previously to this and my antibodies were as high as 425… Thus eliminating gluten removed a mega irritant to my immune system which reduced inflammation.

What I’m putting my attention towards now is fixing my gut dybiosis, which I’m afraid has been quite a difficult task. As of now I’m only taking herbal anti-fungal and anti-microbials to treat the yeast problem I have (via Metametrix stool testing). I’m in the infancy stages of treatment so it’s much to earlier to tell how that is going. One reason gut dybiosis is so important to treat is because 1/3 of the thyroid receptor sites in the body are in the GUT… If you have dybiosis, you will not get adequate thyroid hormone to your cells… SO those with thyroid problems this is for you.

A couple of books I recommend buying are:

“Why do I have thyroid symptoms when my labs are normal” (We all have thyroid dysfunction here, Idc if your labs say they’re normal) This book proves my point. Very well written and very easy to understand.

The second book is “Gut and Psychology Syndrome” by Natasha Campbell-Mcbride, she has vast knowledge on the immune system and it explained very well in this book. It also covers her diet, the GAPS diet, which is pretty much what I followed to start kick start my diet.

Now trust me, no one has it all figured out by any means. Its a matter of trial and error, learning, doing your own research. The immune system is so fucking complex its scary, but you can trace back pretty much every illness known to man to the gut.

Feel free to call me crazy or say that I don’t know what I’m talking about… I’m the one who’s fucking though, Remember that. The fact of the matter here is that every recovery on this board involved diet, treating yeast, and thyroid supplementation.

#2

Hey toadstool,

your progress is great. I am really happy for you.
I have some questions:
Did you only do the paleo diet and probiotic supplementation to get better? Did you do your paleo diet including kefir (or did you add kefir after your paleo diet)?
Are you back on your normal diet now. If yes did you feel worse adding “normal” food (milk, eggs etc.)?

#3

Gracias.

Not totally sure what you’re asking me sir. I did the bone broth diet which consisted of bone broth, broccoli, carrots, onions, garlic, sea salt for about 45 days. During this time I did take probiotics as well. I did this diet because I wanted to heal my digestive system and it is simply great at doing that. Now i know this a tad meaningless but after doing this diet my testosterone went from 500 to 800… why? Because of the cholesterol. Cholesterol is the precursor to cells… and to life mainly… After the 45 days or so I started to add things back into my diet and get away from the bone broths. My meals started to become more well rounded with meat/ vegetables like potatoes/ broccoli. Starches are important too. Very low carb is not good (in the long run) For my 45 day bone broth, it was necessary obviously… I just want to make that an emphasis. Around 100-150G of carbs (potatoes/black/blue berries/bananas) is good. No fruits that are high on the G. index. The whole point of working things back in slowly is so that you will find out if are having a reaction to a food. A good rule is 3 days… For example when I added eggs back in, I ate them once, and then waited 3 days to see if I felt any different. I didnt so I added back in something else etc etc… Normal diet? My diet is the paleo diet… I can not and will not waver from this diet for the rest of my life… It is the diet everyone should be eating regardless of the fact. I’m still taking probiotics daily as I am trying to get rid of my gut dybiosis (yeast overgrowth), so I am taking herbal antifungals and eating tons of garlic and coconut oil. This is the last and final step for me in my recovery process, though big one nonetheless. The important part is that my sexual function has improved to the point that I can fuck, no questions asked. With a condom is no problem. I pop countless boners every time I’m with my GF. In fact It’s become a tad annoying at times because I wear such skinny jeans. lol

One thing I did not mention earlier is that I am starting Armour thyroid, mainly because bc of Hashimoto’s and the destruction I’ve done to my thyroid from eating gluten. Now don’t go off and say that Armour has done anything for me, because it hasnt. Ive only been taking it for 1.5 weeks. It takes about a month to see any results, mainly because when your body is starved for thyroid like mine is it takes a while to fill the receptor sites up… ANd what did I mention about thyroid receptor sites? 1/3 of them are in your GUT… and these can’t be used till you removed dybiosis, so I imagine once Ive been on Armour for a couple of months, and I work the candida angle out. I will get rid of my last feel remaining symptoms which include brain fog and anxiety.

SO to answer your question, the only thing that I added back into my diet that gave me trouble was cheese, so I dont eat it anymore and i’ll lose out on the 3$ that I paid for it. Big whoop.

#4

complete BS. you have no proof what you are saying. I was completely healthy.I took my last antibiotics before 2000 around 1997. Even never took a flue shot.

#5

Great news! Keep us posted on your progress. I get the impression that a strict, gut-focused approach is the way to go for sexual issues, but might not work for mental/cognitive ones. What’s your take on that? Did/Do you have significant mental side effects?

#6

I didn’t know you were a romance novelist. Given that acne and hair loss are signifiers of ill health, I imagine that you have reversed these afflictions with yourself; or, at the very least, you are well on the way to regaining your hair and perfect skin.

#7

yet another person with improvements from an anti candida style approach… im sold… i am giving this a shot

#8

Hey Toadstool, could you please comment on specifics about your flaccid penis? How does it feel, does it look/feel the same as before propecia?

#9

Thats because youre an idiot and don’t know anything about natural medicine. Still thinking that mainstream medicine is going to cure you… and you just proved my point with antibiotic use… Thank you, come again.

#10

You are definitely right regarding the acne/hair loss. My skin is clear as day, I dont have hair loss, though my hair is still a tad thin, but once I sort out the rest of the thyroid issues, that will come back as well…

#11

Each individual is different. You have to keep that in mind. It all depends on what other factors are at play… With me, my thyroid is still messed up and not functioning right and my dybiosis is not under control. Its a vicious cycle, one affecting the other and vice versa. Thus that still leaves me with anxiety and brain fog, but I am confident that both will be resolved once I start getting enough thyroid hormone. Probably no one on this board has the extensive thyroid damage that I have.

Drgreene- My wiener looks fine. Its sensitive though not 100% like it was. My orgasms are orgasmic…

#12

No offense meant by this toad, but I talked to you on FB and you didn’t really have PFS as bad as many of us do/did to begin with.

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#13

A fair point, however it doesn’t mean much. You of all people would benefit from what I’m preaching, especially because I have knowledge of your situation. Throwing hormones at a situation will NEVER get you better I can promise you that. As hopeless as your situation may appear to be, I really think that you can work out your issues. I recommend working with Chris Kresser, a natural medicine guru. Hes actually helped guys w/ pfs.

#14

Would be interested in how you would respond to Nystatin since you are already half way there…

#15

Yes it would but it’s like dropping a nuclear bomb in your gut. Ill only go that route if what I’m doing now fails… Getting rid of yeast the natural way takes longer obviously.

#16

you started talking about failure? why?

#17

Failure to kill yeast w/ herbal anti-fungals… Yeast can be a pain in the arse. I’m not going to fail, I’ve come to far already.

#18

Hey toadstool,

First off congrats on your progress man! I’m glad that the actions you’ve undertaken are moving you in the right direction. Thanks for coming back to share your findings.

On your penile sensitivity… can you elaborate a bit? Has it improved gradually throughout the course of your regimen? Where was it initially? (ie… I’d guess my current sensitivity is like 30%-40% of what it should be)

Do you use any drugs/herbs to assist in the bedroom?

Thanks for the feedback,

#19

Everyone has one form of metabolic syndrome. Find yours.

chriskresser.com/thyroid-blood-sugar-metabolic-syndrome

"The problem is that cortisol (along with epinephrine) is also a sympathetic nervous system hormone involved in the “flight or fight” response. This response includes an increase in heart rate and lung action and an increase in blood flow to skeletal muscles to help us defend against or flee from danger. Cortisol’s role is to increase the amount of glucose available to the brain, enhance tissue repair, and curb functions – like digestion, growth and reproduction – that are nonessential or even detrimental in a fight or flight situation. "

This is PFS in a nutshell people…

Komas- If you consider food a drug… then yes. Why are you so focused on my individual symptoms? My sensitivity is fine. It feels nice when its in a vagina. Focus on the ideology of the treatment, not the state of my dick.

#20

Yikes… not the response I was expecting. I’m not really worried about your dick bro. What I was curious about was simply your estimation of how much your sensitivity improved as a result of your protocol. It helps to gauge how much progress I should expect from this kind of strategy. It’s just a question though… if you’re not comfortable with answering it that’s cool.

Thanks for your detailed initial post in any case.
Cheers,