Hairlosstalk discusses pfs and side effects

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"Post Finasteride Syndrome

I had a couple pretty unpleasant encounters with some folks from the Post-Finasteride Syndrome world recently. If you’re not aware of what that is, its basically a handful of websites with people who report having long-term side effects from Propecia. As with most topics from politics to religion, moderate, rational, grounded thought quickly gives way to extremism. , and in this case I see an abundance of speculation, paranoia, and fear that really dilutes the message for me. In a bad way. I wanted to listen, but I couldn’t go longer than 10 minutes without hearing that Propecia makes people “kill themselves”. All sincere attempts to appeal to a more rational conversation were rejected, and I was labeled a slime bucket who “doesn’t care that people are dying”. Simply because I still tell people to use Propecia on this site.

I should say very clearly that I do strongly believe that a certain percentage of guys have side effects on Propecia, and a relevant number of those have ongoing issues with both their hormones and sometimes neurotransmitters responsible for mood. But what I care about is data. Fortunately, Swoop sent the following study to me which was just recently published (July 2016).

Its the best kind of study in my opinion, because it is a meta-analysis of propecia side effects. That means they analyzed all the data out there, as well as including speculative and subjective reports from discussion forums online. I think you should check it out if you care about remaining rational on this topic: Adverse Effects and Safety of 5-alpha Reductase Inhibitors (Finasteride, Dutasteride): A Systematic Review.

Propecia Side Effects – A Rational Look

It’s clear that there are some very strong opinions on Propecia side effects, and I know firsthand that medical science is sometimes incredibly wrong in its conclusions. But for the time being, I need to stand by my opinion that:

First, every medication has severe side effects in some people. Aspirin actually has “suicide” and “death” listed on its post-marketing side effects list. Does that mean you’ll stop taking it when you get a fever of 104? Second, Propecia is remarkably good at telling you whether it’s going to cause problems for you. I don’t believe they happen “without you knowing” or that you’ll wake up one day forever impotent. I believe severe side effects are very rare, and people who experience them should discontinue treatment or risk doing long term damage.

Lastly, its important to remember the absolutely devastating effect hair loss has on people. There actually are people out there who may be suicidal if they don’t stop their hair loss. And millions more who simply lose hope in life, and their future, because thinning hair destroys their self esteem and social status as well. It’s disappointing to me that we can’t find a rational, middle ground on this issue."

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Sorry about that: hairlosstalk.com/news/mashu … -137211213

I think the way we present our message is very important. If we try to accuse this guy of not caring that people are dying, as he claims somebody did, it isn’t surprising that he wont’ respond in the way we want him to.

He publicly admits that he believes post finasteride syndrome exists but he is wrong about certain facts and we can educate him. His acceptance that PFS is real is far better, in my opinion, than some of these really old hair transplant surgeons that deny PFS’ existence. I see this as a clear sign that we are making progress.

He is wrong when he thinks you cannot simply wake up one day and become impotent for the rest of your life because that has happened to many guys on this forum. If he realizes that is a risk, he might change his message. My biggest concern is that there needs to be a very clear warning to guys who are unwilling to trade the risk of developing post-finasteride syndrome for the possible benefit of maintaining some hair.

Lol I’m the guy he’s referring to in his unpleasant conversations.

Here’s the kicker: HE HAS PFS.

But he’s running a website that sells generic cheap rip off versions of Propecia: hlg.hairlosstalk.com/shop/

It’s up to you to decide if that represents a conflict of interests.

This guy is responsible for convincing countless young men (including myself) that Finasteride is a safe treatment for hair loss, even when he himself has suffered from serious long term side effects.

Here’s the post where he admits to having PFS, and still trying to convince friends and family members to take Propecia: hairlosstalk.com/interact/t … st-1200040

And here he details how he’s had low testosterone for 15 years from Finasteride use: hairlosstalk.com/interact/t … st-1366883

He had every opportunity to use his forum as a vehicle to warn people about the dangers of this drug. Imagine how many people he could have saved in the 15 years since he fell ill. Instead he chose personal profit.

It is upsetting to see these kinds of weird contradictions but they’re all over the web. There’s clearly something wrong here because I seriously doubt anybody with PFS would ever suggest other guys “try it and see what happens”.

In any case, I still do think it is important to communicate our message in a diplomatic and mature way in order to be the most persuasive. People like this will likely never be convinced otherwise but it is important to engage those who are open to the truth in a way to which they will be receptive.