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#16

I’m also thinking about TRT, but no doc over here will help my T is still above 300. It scares me to do it on my own. Also i had terrible acne in my teens and likely i will have that again while on T.

In 2016 i spoke with former member TowM8er. He send me this e-mail in 2016
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Glad to be of help if I can.

First of all, you won’t be able to properly treat the hormone imbalance if you don’t have lab results. This is KEY!!!

I was lucky to have Dr. Goldstein, the foremost expert in the world on sex medicine. I began seeing him in 2012 and have lab results from nine different time periods. It was not possible to tell if treatment ideas were working without lab results.
If you don’t know what to get tested for I would be glad to send you the list.
Keep in mind that everyone has different genetics and not everyone responds to the same treatment methods. Age is also a factor, I’m 50 now. I had suffered many side effects for years and saw 11 different doctors before I even knew it was PFS. I discovered PFS was the cause in 2012 and went to Goldstein right away.

At the time Goldstein thought that bringing up testosterone would subsequently raise DHT, My first lab results showed testosterone at 182. That is the equivalent of a man 125 years old based on the Testosterone chart by age.

So… Over the initial year, my T was jacked up to 1800, three times the norm. And high T comes with its own side effects, irritable, angry, aggressive, anxiety, severe depression. My ex wife had enough.

So I switched gears and began working out and tried the CDNuts natural plan and stopped TRT for 6 months. The results showed my hormones dropped back down to less than optimal levels.
However, many components of CDNuts protocol were helpful with anxiety and depression.

Next, I discovered that LOW DOSE TRT resulted in a much better response. And added Andractim(DHT) recommended by Goldstein, because 5ar was not converting T to DHT. The RATIO OF T TO DHT IS CRUCIAL.
You should begin with lab tests, find a doc familiar with PFS, or at least an endocrinologist who is open to learning about PFS. The lab results should be your GUIDE to recovery. I have NINE sets over the span of 4 years.

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#17

TRT scares me for so many reasons. First, am I going to lose all my hair, the little I have remaining? Do I have to be on it for life and what will happen if I have to stop for any reason? How am I going to afford it? Will I be even able to get it if I go back to my home country? How am I going to travel with a stack of syringes? Will it give me cancer? Etc, etc…

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#18

Well sibelio. I’m not sure where to start. If your on this site then I’m assuming your struggling with some sort of problem. For me I wanted my life and manhood back and Trt gave me that. I would inject this 5x a day if I had to to feel this way. (You really only have to inject once a week)

Does it cause cancer? There is no study showing that it does. If high testosterone did cause cancer we would have an explosion of 18yo boys with prostate cancer. If it does cause cancer in me in 30 years … we’ll im happy i chose the trt instead of spending my life on these websites looking for a magic pill.

Can you bring it back to your home country? I don’t know but if you are under 430 you can get a US doctor to prescribe testosterone in mail order … there are many. Once you are on testosterone then I’m sure you can find a doctor to treat you. (If you stop taking testosterone your natural T will show under 100 so you would be able to get it in your country any way) in other words if you take t and stop you can easily find a dr who would prescribe after.

Can you start and stop? Yes you just need to also take HCG which I think does wonders for anyone on PFS. This keeps your balls producing hormones and active.

I find it amazing some people are so scared of trying this if it fixes your problems and would rather waist their lives away trying to find some supplement or pill that might fix it. It’s wortj a shot trying. There are famous doctors that thane this (dr crisler) … if I’m going to die in 10 years I’m going out fit and happy and having sex every day (which I do). :slight_smile:

Will it accelerate hair loss. No unless you use bodybuilding amounts but who knows … here is me now in my bed in bogota after my hair transplant yesterday https://share.icloud.com/photos/0m9QK8tplQf-xhfvP8odQAQQA

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#20

@Cornwellsb, can I ask how bad was your PFS before you started TRT? For example, if you have to put a number to gauge the strength of your libido, erections, orgasms? For me libido and orgasms used to be around 15-20% of normal in the first 1.5 years of PFS. In the past half a year they are probably around 5%.

So you didn’t notice an acceleration of hair loss after you started TRT? You mention bodybuilding amounts… Are those much higher than what you are aiming for? I thought PFS folks need to achieve a much higher levels of T than normal in order to feel benefits.

What exactly is your current regimen/dosing?

Is it possible to achieve some of the effects of TRT by using pro-hormones instead of testosterone, in order to preserve natural production of testosterone? I don’t know much about this but I guess something like cdnuts herbs or something like DHEA, etc?

#21

They say they gel is more natural than the shots as shots push you into a high peak and trough situation. I just inject more regularly with less dosage to mimic the natural pattern. (I feel better on shots) Keep in mind thst for some people the gel does not work due to absorption rates and such but I think for 90% it’s good. I would still investigate HCG … do some googling on “ trt and HCG” … some people love it and others hate it but for those with PFS I think it’s an interesting addition.

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#23

My PFS was not debilitating but I had what I would call chronic fatigue syndrome. I took fin for 7-8 years and just went down hill. I had worse and worse vision issues which are gone now. I felt like my mind was full of jelly. When I talked strange words would come out of my mouth. I would zone out and stare at things for long periods of time. Always grumpy. I had horrible sleep. Energy level was crap since age 32. I found propeciahelp after trying to figure out what was happening to me.

As for My erections, they were horrible and I could not stay hard during sex but viagra worked for me. Orgasms were fine when I had them … libido was also ok but I think I had an over active libito when young. Looking back at historical tests my T was 450 or so but steadily dropped until under 400 about 3 years ago. My estrogen was always strangely a little low in all my tests

I tried 50+ supplements … amazon loves me. Actually dhea works a little but it’s also going to mess with your hair.

I’ve never heard you need higher doses of testosterone to get better results for PFS but I’m no expert and there may be stories here. Most sites that prescribe testosterone in the US like defy medical are cookie cutter and will try putting you on 200mg a week with an AI to block estrogen. I refused that. I started at 200mg a week and after 4 weeks checked blood levels and testosterone was through the roof 1900 or something. I dialed back to i think right now roughly 130mg a week … I keep my blood test level at 800.

I did not notice haír loss but I’m slowly losing it anyway … just fixed that in Colombia. I’m 44 and not horribly bald so I’m a good Candidate. I had a bald spot I covered with spray and a forehead getting thin.

For my transplant I had the option of shaving or not shaving and on the day I picked a total shave of my head as you get better results. I have a few “lovers” and they obviously know about this transplant. Both want me to keep my head shaved now. Haha

Sibelo what is your current t level and age? What’s your hair loss level at? Are you a candidate for trt?

If you try testosterone you are not going to suddenly see a huge amount of hair fall out. There are other things you can try as I mentioned but they are all mostly injectable (HCG) … you can try oral clomid. It works but it made me feel weird.

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A Warning of what doing nothing can cause
A Warning of what doing nothing can cause
#24

I actually don’t know my current T levels. I suppose I need to get tested. My hair loss is progressing very fast. I don’t know the stages but my scalp is now visible through the hair all over the front, top and back of my head, and the hairs are very thin and shedding like crazy all over my face. Something happened 3 months ago which has both killed my libido and hair at the same time (and increased acne). The only change I did was started eating a lot of eggs because I moved to a place that does not allow meat in the house. So I guess it is possible that I have higher cholesterol which may translate into higher T and correspondingly DHT. Many people with PFS feel better with low DHT under conditions mimicking finasteride use. If that’s what’s happening I may not benefit from TRT. I guess I have to cut the eggs and see if there is an improvement in symptoms.

#25

Do you mind posting your age? I think the number one rule is that you should get a blood test before you waist your time on this site. Something in your blood could be causing your hair loss. Make sure you get both a sensitive T and E tests and do not take no for an answer. Wasting more cholesterol will bump your T up but not enough to translate into massive hair loss. I took basically synthetic dht (provirone) which I noticed nothing. Are you under stress? It could be that you are just at a stage where your hair is destined to fall. I had a friend who at 30 just suddenly lost His hair in the space of a year.

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#26

Thanks for replying to my posts mate
Really appreciate your time information and positive attitude towards blood tests and seeking help from doctors.
I don’t imagine you went to these doctors crying out PFS at the top of voice could I ask what was your approach and did you mention finasteride ? If yes could you please let us know how this strategy worked out for you.

Thanks again for coming back to this forum its a valuable asset to people here to actually be able to speak to someone that has been in these shoes and overcome all difficulties / symptoms.
I’m sure alot of guys have tried testosterone like myself but in a very underhand way with no blood tests and black market drugs.
It’s easy to shoot down every possible treatment if the treatment hasn’t been administered Inna controlled way under medical supervision.

Thankyou again for coming back to the forum giving us your time answering questions.
I will pm you to grab your email address if you don’t mind mate.

#27

Most don’t recognize PFS … I did find 2 that will… I have an endo in nyc that recognizes it but no Expert … also a cfs expert in nyc.

#28

That’s no surprise mate
Personally I think talking to doctors about PFS is about as useful as telling your doctor you have previously been abducted by aliens they shot your Dick and Balls with there Ray gun which caused them shrink and stop working.

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#29

Did yoy get acne on TRT. If so, where on your face, chest, back?

Did you had acne pre fin ?

#30

How much HCG are you using and how often?

#31

Hey man, congrats! What proviron dose did you use ?!

#32

120-140 IU 3x a week … you have to be careful or it will spike estrogen … it makes my libido spike on those days and I’m pretty good at Arround 400-500 IU a week

#33

25mg … i only use it on vacations. It’s basically DHT so cant be good for your hairline but I live like a rockstar when on it. If I have a date, I take one in the morning and I can go all night :wink:

A Warning of what doing nothing can cause
#34

I never had bad acne as a kid but obviously had pimples … and yes i get acne now in weird places. On my head, behind my ear (this was last week). It’s not crazy though. I also use prescription strength retin A on my face to keep looking young (which everyone should use). I only get the acne when I stop Retin a on vacations.

If you don’t know what retin A is, it’s literally the only known cream that reverses the signs of aging. 99% of every cream out there is all the same in terms of moisturizing but retin A will reverse wrinkles and sun damage … I’m 45 and look 35 still.

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#35

What source did you get it from? If you could pm :slight_smile:

#36

I had been trying 200 IU’s 2x a week and felt pretty decent but haven’t taken it in right at a week. Started feeling like total crap today… depressed, etc… Not 100% sure that’s why but sure seems possible.

#37

A lot of people use way too much hcg. I know at the forums t-nation that many can’t tolorate it at all or only do maybe 100 a week just to keep the plumbing active. I get a really weird depression when my E goes up. Screws up my sleep. My face gets really fat too. My problem is I’m also super super sensitive to anastrizole. I always think I’m amazing at figuring out my E level without a blood test but my last 2 blood tests I had guessed wrong and brought my E too low. If it were me I’d pop a micro amount of anastrizole (like 1/16 or 1/32) and I’d back off a week or 2. The AI won’t help if your over dosing on hcg (I forget the science of why) but it may stop any future E from being converted from your T. Buy some natures way DIM (or any reputable DIM).