going crazy

This falls more in the hunter gatherer diet. It’s less extreme but it’s a much better alternative to no change of diet.

I’ve tried water fasting, juice fasting, and now I’m off processed foods, mostly just meats, fruits, and veggies with milk, cheese, kefir, and protein shakes after the gym.

Try moderation and your body will adapt faster. i.e. try switching to all the fruits, veggies, and salmon/white fish/nuts you can eat for a few weeks. See how it goes then when your body is used to the different diet start weening things out for fasting or just start fasting.

The less shock you have the less reason your body has to overreact in a negative way.

If you want to do a cleanse, no meat, no nuts and seeds. Just eat predominantly fruit and some salads if you wish. Make sure to drink plenty of water. By time you took everyone else’s advice all you would be doing would be changing your diet to a healthier one, which you should be eating anyway. You went from thinking about a water fast, to eating a Paleo diet.

If you really want to cleanse, just do this, that’s it. You’ll cleanse, believe me. All raw of course…

Martin:

We posted at exactly the same time…

I think you are right. I am going to do 100% raw fruits and vegetables for a month maybe and then possibly a fast after that. Will keep ya posted. Thanks for the advice everyone.

does anyone think I will be losing muscle mass during this? what can I do to prevent that? are there vegetables with good proteins i can eat to maintain my muscle mass?

Oh boy … day two and I am feeling very bad on this fruit/veggie thing lol. Constant hunger pains and my mental state is MUCH worse than it was before. I guess this is natural though since my body is adjusting to not having meat and grain… I can live with it as long as someone can assure me that 1 month will be enough. Will 1 month of just fruit/veggies and water be enough to reset my body and rid myself of brainfog? I don’t know if I can last any longer than a month lol.

Don’t bet on it. You will get some benefit, but it’s no walk in the park, that’s for damn sure. You need to go at least 2-3 months depending on how bad your symptoms are and optimally until you are symptom free, which could be different for everyone. Japanther is on over nine months already and he is sure he’ll be CURED before summer. I usuallly could only last 3mo’s at a clip before I caved, then restarted for another 3mos., cave, and repeat. Each time you cave, you set back the process.

Fasting makes going raw easier, cause after you don’t eat for 3 weeks, your taste buds have neuroadapted to no salt intake and no overpowering cooked flavors. The fruit tastes absolutely delicious and you relish every bite. I’ve never gone raw without fasting first. It is more of a challenge to do so. You’ll also be more uncomfortable while your body switches gears. This can last for months and MOST people just can’t hack it.

You may also not be eating enough. People are conditioned to think of fruit as something you have one or two pieces of and then you’re done with it. That’s not really the case if you want to survive extended periods of raw. You have to still make sure you are getting enough calories and that means eating ENOUGH.

Go to www.nutridiary.com to track your calories. Although, once you see how much you actually have to eat, I think you’ll decide that you’re not going to go any further. One cool thing about these sites, is that you can see (when you’re raw) how high off the charts your vitamin, mineral and phytonutrients are. It’s pretty impressive, and when you see it in black and white like that, you realize why it works.

The benefits of raw are absolutely amazing, as I’ve attested before, but it is not easy, and just when you think you can’t take it anymore, is exactly when you have to keep going. Easier said then done.

This is why I stated to eat the salmon/fish/nuts etc ALSO for at least a month before going on the fruit and veggie only diet. The shock is too much and you won’t be able to stay on and function.

Try for moderation and build up to the fast. Your body is adapting from years of misuse and an awful poison.

In that case, this fruit and vegetable fast is seeming a whole lot less attractive to me. If going on it for 2-3 months will not guarantee success, then it doesn’t seem worth it.

What about if I ate fruits/veg/nuts/fish on the weekdays and than fasted all weekend for a few months. Would that do anything?

Damn this sucks. I might just go out and buy a turkey tonight.

In that case, this fruit and vegetable fast is seeming a whole lot less attractive to me. If going on it for 2-3 months will not guarantee success, then it doesn’t seem worth it.

What about if I ate fruits/veg/nuts/fish on the weekdays and than fasted all weekend for a few months. Would that do anything?

Damn this sucks.

There is no easy way out. You always pay the piper, one way or the other.

So you’d rather have sides the rest of your life then suffer for a couple months? THAT doesn’t seem worth it to me.

Yeah but there is always the possibility that the symptoms will go away on their own…

Question: will smoking cigars have any effect on the liver cleanse?

I think you can answer that for yourself without even needing to ask it. Smoking is bad for your health, period.

There is also a possiblity I’ll win the lottery and become super rich, or, get hit by lightening. There’s guys on this board who have not recovered in 8-10 years after stopping use. Sure, you’ll improve over time, but I can pretty much make an educated guess that this problem isn’t going to make itself all better without taking some type of action to help your body heal.

To me, it sounds like you want someone to tell you what you want to hear, which is sure, 1 month on a raw food diet will cure you, hands down, no problem. And while your at it, go ahead and smoke as many cigars as you wish, cause, come on now, they won’t have any effect on the CLEANSE you are trying to do.

Really Bro? If you’re even asking the question you need to do some serious research like the rest of the people on this site and stop asking mundane questions that you already know the answer to. If you want to get better, or as close to better as you can get, then you’re gonna have to sac up and get serious. This isn’t a joke, but those questons are.

Smoking is known to cause impotence, depression, and reduction of libido. It can even stop females monthly cycles.

I’m going crazy, because I’m having these sexual and physical side effects…

brain fog will pass. i had severe depression, and difficulty to concentrate on my work. i had the exact problems you had. now i dont have depression, and my mind is better. but the erectile dysfunction is still with me. my dick is soft and bendable even when erect. like it is empty inside. soft erections, in other words. i dont know if i will be healthy again…

How long did it take you for the brain fog to pass? I’ve been off it around 9 months and haven’t had any improvements whatsoever. Before I went off, I was on .25 mg per day for a year.

I’m just starting to feel like maybe I am a dumbass. But even dumbasses should be able to understand what other people are saying to them. I feel like I can’t even process simple language enough to have a conversation. I ask “what?” all the time to pretend I didn’t hear the person I am having a conversation with. I am really just giving my brain more time to process what they said.

Reading is TERRIBLE! I re-read and re-read and re-read, it takes me 6 months to finish 1 book… I don’t have any sexual side effects (I don’t think) and even if I did, I would not give a shit. All I care about is my mind. I want it back! How much longer do I have to be a dumbass?

I totally understand how you are feeling mate. I felt EXACTLY the same. It was like my brains processing speed was totally slowed down, i slurred my speech and couldn’t keep up with simple conversations. The good news is that for most of us the brain fog goes away. Im now something like 16 months off and it has cleared entirely. The second i woke up before i used to know if i was in a fog and how my day would pan out. Still to this day, when i wake up im suprised that i feel ok. I recon i started to feel some changes around the 10 month mark if i recall. Brain fog would dissapear for 3 days, then come back for a week, in cycles. I can honestly say i haven’t really had brain fog for about 2 months now. Its strange because while on propecia i was a very anxious person who couldn’t look people in the eyes. Music didn’t sound nice. Now, i realise i am actually a very calm person and music seems to be hitting the right centres of my brain again.

I agree with CDNUTS about the importance of diet. I avoid Fast food, chocolate, soft drink and most sugars. Im also avoiding milk at the moment too. Ive been successfully doing this for a long time now, and i do think its made a difference.

Brain fog used to be my main worry but not anymore. Unfortunately, the poster above you described how his dick feels like it is hollow on the inside, like its not getting enough blood. That is exactly the symptom i am getting, and my intuition tells me this is not going to go away so easily.

Good post Sennex. I have read the length of this thread and would like to contribute that I have been taking Vitamin D now at 10,000iu for 2 weeks and am noticing some favourable results.

As someone who has suffered horrifically from anxiety due to finasteride, I believe Vit D supplementation takes the edge off, and noticeably improves my mood and anxiety.

I was on the low side for Vit D 69 (50 to 300)

Makes the day easier. CDNUTS, would you concur?

JN