if you check out this last page of this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=5341&start=100
it’s about how our problems are actually pelvic floor muscle dysfunction. chi is feeling better, and it seems to help other people as well.
just an idea, i’m wondering if this gaba introduction is actually calming all the muscles in our pelvic floor region, thus bringing relief?
I have some GBL. I don’t know what would be a correct dose. I think every ml has about 1,4 or 1,5 g of GBL. Xyrem (GHB) has 500 mg/ml. From what i’ve seen in drugs forums, taking more than 1 ml of GBL would be dangerous. Even taking less, since it is a powerful drug. I also don’t think taking it many days would be a good idea, so probably i’ll try it for less than a week. Any advice of someone who knows something about gbl or ghb would be appreciated.
Talk to italysideeffect, he improved quite a lot on GHB.
Hi Awor,
It seems a few of the guys have improved alot with GHB, I think there is one recovery with it in the recovery section and also this one with Paul Walters. I’d be very interested to hear your thoughts around why this could be - in particular with refernce to androgens or the androgen receptor. As you will more than likely know, I actually feel this problem could be GABA related, causing severe muscle spasmism in the pelvic floor and subsequently an unusual blood flow issue, whereby testosterone flows are restricted to and from the testes, in turn causing low T. As you will also no doubt know GHB appears to act on GABA receptors in some way, therefore it could be possible that GHB restores the GABA receptors somehow, releases muscles spasmism and then everything restores itself.
I’m really no scientist, so i’m sorry this does not come with any research, but does my theory sound absolutely rediculous to you? Any feedback is appreciated.
Good luck ehh… let us know how you get on with the GBL
Fermenting foods creates a small amount of GHB. Just google it. Start fermenting your own foods!
Thanks Awor
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006899301030153
hey guys. this is pretty exciting, but i’ve been dreaming the last 3 nights consecutively after supplementing with 3 grams of l-gluatmine before i goto sleep. i haven’t dreamed in a while. i’m also doing about 8 oz of beet juice (it builds nitric oxide) and a few spoons of liquid fish oil. but i’ve been doing beet juice and fish oil for a while, only when i added the l-gluatmine did i start dreaming. i also have been smelling really bad when i wake up in the morning after a night of dreaming… i usually don’t sweat at all. propecia must have destroyed our GABA supply or something… i’m not even going to try to theorize because i don’t understand how propecia could have done this.
it’s interesting because glutamine is also in the main part of the lining of the digestive system. i wonder if it’s possible that our body’s GABA supply is low and then it’s pulling glutamine from our digestive tracts, thus causing all the food problems that people have? propecia totally screwed us…
but no other really noticeable effect besides the dreaming. but i know it’s a step in the right direction to get some REM sleep. maybe it will take a few months to have better effects… i’m still trying to find other pre cursors to GABA to supplement with in the diet… it’s kinda difficult. if anyone can find anything, that would be great since GHB is kinda impossible to get.
one thing to note though, if you have sensitivities to MSG, you shouldn’t take gluatmine because glutamine turns into glutamate (MSG) during the digestive process.
Has anyone here tried GHB for a while? And does GHB fix the sexual side effects too or just the mental? Why is this stuff so difficult to get, has anyone spoken to a doctor about GHB?
read through this thread…
Unfortunately this threat is not convincing enough that GHB helps. Paul Waters’s story sounds very doubtful. Either way, it sounds like its impossible to get.
I assume you haven’t bothered to click on any of the links i posted then? have you done any of your own research?
kirlian.org/life_enhancement_products/bstc1~1.htm
old.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id137/pg1/index.html
drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25153
It’s fairly obvious that not everyone would have the same reaction to GHB - PFS or no PFS. However GHB potentially…
. improves sleep
. boosts sex drive
. reduces anxiety
. increases GABA and growth hormone release
That’s just the basic stuff that i can take away from 3 minutes of reading
I would say with 100% certainty that GHB could be very useful to us given it’s potential effects. The benefit of 6-10 hours continuous sleep ALONE would be a huge boost to many PFS victims health so how on earth have you concluded that GHB is useless?
Italysideffect and ithappens improved using GHB
Forget getting GHB (Xyrem) through a doctor, unless you have epilepsy. You either need to buy straight GHB from a drug dealer or buy GBL from the internet and take that or you could convert the GBL to GHB yourself.
"The sleep of narcoleptics is abnormal and characterized by: a short sleep latency; frequent sleep onset REM periods (i.e., REM sleep begins within 30 minutes of going to sleep); REM period interrupted by arousals; higher than normal amount of time spent in stage 1 but less than normal amount spent in slow wave sleep; and frequent arousals from sleep. This results in the patient suffering regularly from very poor quality sleep which can lead to many cataplexy attacks during the day despite the use of prescribed stimulants.
Their brain is simply exhausted and is unable to recover or repair during the night as the patient cannot maintain quality slow wave sleep.
GHB counteracts these abnormalities by increasing slow wave sleep, lessening stage 1 sleep, and reducing arousals from rapid eye movement (REM) sleep.
Simply put, they spend less time in “shallow” sleep and more time in the reparative slow-wave sleep stages (“Deep” sleep).
One similarity in an otherwise healthy person is the parent of a new-born baby. They will likely experience a similar state of regularly interrupted sleep which reduces their ability to reach and maintain the slow-wave stages which can lead to extreme states of mental exhaustion during the day. Although at least they will, eventually, recover as soon as junior can sleep through the night regularly!
In fact, as a quick asides, there are many, many, physiological problems that are the direct result of a poor night’s sleep. Even though a person may be unaware of the poor quality sleep they are frequently experiencing, stress, worry, environmental factors (excessive noise, light etc.) and drug abuse can easily result in a night’s sleep consisting of bouncing between stage one and REM sleep without properly reaching the reparative stages.
After a length of time, there can be serious implications for the person who is frequently unable to reach and maintain quality slow-wave sleep."
Do i need to say more? i am CONSTANTLY dreaming and when i wake up i am often not tired, as if i never fell into a deep sleep.
I’m in contact with a sleep centre that prescribes Xyrem (GHB), my GP referred me.
The ironic thing is, apart from last night where i only slepts 3 hrs, my sleep has been very good and also refreshing for about 5 days - this has also lead me to a pretty healthy recovery in mental and physical symptoms to a point where i would say i’m currently recovered on mental and physical front, sexual is lagging but improving. It’s better when sleep is better, this points towards GABA for me. GHB might just be the thing to solve it. Looks very hard to get Xyrem in the UK, either on private or NHS. I think only 400 people in a poplation of 66m are on it here.
I have this now too. I can tell you it’s better than waking up feeling like shit every day.
It is yes. I am just stating this because it shows how useful GHB could be for us.
It’s great that you have gotten so far with the sleep centre but i very much doubt they will prescribe Xyrem.
Bluecloud, you have very much doubted alot of things on this forum! Rule it all out and you’ll never get anywhere, just like plenty of others who are all still here years later…
Anyway, I have already discussed this with the sleep centre and it’s not out of the question, even without narcolopsy, but it’s a long process getting funding from NHS PCT’s. For that reason sleep centres and docs steer away from it. Of course there are other reasons, but my gut feel is from speaking to them that they basically never bother because it’s rediculously expensive and the cases always flop. I have a very good GP (female + young + hot) and I am hoping she will go the extra mile for me. We’ll see. At the very least they’ll give me some tips (or other medication) to help me sleep better. Since better sleep correlates with improvement for me I’ll take anything that works this angle.
Hi Chi,
I am also booked with a sleep specialist and try to get GHB. I am not so sure of other medications that are given for insomnia. Many of them counteract the sexual problems. I was prescribed one by a doctor and when I bought it and read the leaflet it said that side effects include ED etc. So be careful. I know good sleep is very important, but I am afraid of the side effects of some of those medications.