guys, what about using L-glutamate; a GABA precursor? it is not harmful.
I always research deeply before trying anything, and I always weight the risk of sideeffects with the risk of sucess. I not so sure about other guys in hereā¦
I was on 100mg Clomid for a week, then 50mg for some days, and then 25mg for about a month and then 12,5 and lower as I stepped out of it.
JH
Totally right about the dangers. I was VERY VERY paranoid about trialling it. You have to remember that GHB is NOT your atypical recreational drug. It is widely documented that the drug does NOT harm any cells in the body. In fact it actually helps the body recover and deal with the stresses of illness (read all the benefits). It is not a stimulant (which is taxing on the adrenal glands). The ONLY reason it is not legal is due to the wackos out there that would want to use it as a date rape drug. Also those āāUINDOCUMENTEDāā cases of hearsay deaths using GHB (which I donāt personally believe) are probably due to people taking way above the maximum dosage (probably also mixed with a cocktail of other impure street substances), or the GHB was very impure with other shit in it.
I am NOT here to profess or entise anyone to delve out of their comfort zone (or am advocating a quick fix). It took about 6 months for me to recover from taking GHB. I DID NOT have any alcohol, ecstacy, cocaine, marijuana, sugar, caffeine or any other crap. GHB is a pure substance which is actually manufactured in the body. I actually think that finasteride sufferers suffer from wounded production of GHB due to damaged GABA receptors and adrenal fatigue.
Donāt think you will be able to make the stuff in your back yard either (using the link that the person gave to make the stuff). Because gamma-Butyrolactone is a very restricted substance that you have to have permits for. Xyrem is a drug which is essentailly GHB and WILL help recovery just the same as street GHB. Look at all the studies of which they are reporting recovery and reduced symptoms of Chronic fatigue and FIBRIOMYALGIA sufferers (on GHB and Xyrem studies). Good luck getting Xyrem though! You might have to go to a thousand different doctors before one will prescrive you xyrem. Unless you can fake a narcolepsy disease (and even then still hard!). Xyrem helps those experiencing narcolepsy gettin back regular sleep patterns. āāmaybe you could go to a narcolepsy forum on the internet, and somehow persuade one of the members to hook you up somehowāā!
GHB has been unfairly given a very bad name!! And I am not advocating taking it 24-7. Take it an hour before bed like I did and you will wake up ultimately refreshed like you have not been in years. It is that āāREFRESHING and REM sleepāā which none of us are getting that does the healing!!
GHB is NOT a cure, it is a very useful aid in recovery though. Like anything cannot be abused! Very disciplined attitude and diet are a must!
Donāt listen to the lunatic getting upset before, he is just jealous that he cant get hold of it and is still suffering. I am suffering, but thankfully it is only hairloss now (never thought I would say that!)
GHB worked for me, If your not willing to try, then I would suggest doing anything to get that deep REM happening (that is when proper HGH is released for recovery. You need HGH for muscle strength and fat loss, hence increased testosterone (the follow on positive effects are endless for finasteride sufferers!). Maybe regular sleep times, melatonin, exercise in the mornings.
DOnāt think you might recover and āāclutch at strawsāā. BELIEVE in your recovery, and put that before any other thing in your life. Anytime you feel guilty aboout putting your health first, say this to yourself. āāDoes anything in life really matter if you have not got your healthāā. That will inspire you to charge forward. It is exciting stuff and you will ALL be able to gauge and feel recovery when your sleep is so refreshing. People were commenting on how better I looked and how much more vibrant I seemed within a month of my GHB and strict dietary (and exercise) regime!
For me, I just had to wake the fuck up and tune my mind to be soooooooo strong. You almost have to shut off all emotion (which will stress the system). I read a book āāthe poer of nowāā whilst on my program. From then on I was living and feeling so within my body that I was responding to every symptom with a reaction. I was monitoring every feeling inside me and was deciding whether or not I was going to act on that feeling. All negative ones I decided NOT to act on.
EVERY ONE OF YOU WILL RECOVER!!! I felt hopeless for sooo long and turned to alcohol and cigarettes which will fuck you up more than anything else (including heroin). Donāt GIVE IN, donāt even think about propecia, or feel guilt, or angerness towards merck, and NEVER under any curcumstances feel SORRY FOR YOURSELF. A victim mentality is a COWARDS way out! You are responsible for every thing you put inside your body (prescription or otherwise!) Get rid of ALL negativity towards anything. If you are tired then sleep, if you are depressed, then exercise, if you are feeling negative, then focus on that feeling inside of you without thinking about it and projecting it onto your mind.
I did NOT come to this site the whole 6 months of my recovery! It will get you down and distract you from your recovery, What ever your recovery program, Write it down, tick it off daily. And donāt āāNO MATTER WHATāā give into temptation (or you simply WILL NOT recover).
I am thinking of going back onto propecia to see if I will be able to handle it this time round! (this is a sick joke!)
God bless everyone! DONT GIVE UP! NEVER GIVE IN! YOU WILL RECOVER! IT WONT BE EASY! YOU WILL HAVE TO BE SOOIOO DISCIPLINED! HOWEVER YOU WILL RECOVER! STOP READING THIS MESSAGE AND GO AND RECOVER!!
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Well it hasnāt worked out for you with either Propecia or Clomid 
As for the latter, I could have told you that 100mg of clomid a day was well known to cause visual problems such as floaters.
The problem with the idea of just researching the side effects of medications is one of a lack of qualifications/specialty and a lack of access to all the important/relevant information/facts. Both of these things are sometimes needed in order to make a valued judgment call, unfortunately no amount of intelligence can make up for a lack of them at times.
Self medicating widely used and well understood drugs that are used to treat a given condition that you have been diagnosed to have;
Hypogonadism and Testogel sayā¦
Or self medication of a drug previously prescribed to you, that is one thing.
But
Beyond that it really is a case of opening yourself upto a whole heap of problems.
In your case you used Clomid, something that is far from being a standard conventional treatment for hypogonadism. Because you were not aware of all the relevant information you have floaters, something that is a real pain.
The fact is all treatments are best pursued via a forward thinking medical professional who is willing to help, that is ESPECIALLY true of those therapies that are less conventional and off the beaten track.
Self medicating is understandable if sad, its dangers can be minimized, but it is far from ideal and should not remotely be considered with anything that is not well understood and widely used to treat a given condition that is already diagnosedā¦not unless you have tried to obtain help via convential medicine and specialists and had no joy for years and ill health is significantā¦then I cross my fingers for you.
Paul, but did you have any post-finasteride problems with your genitalia, i.e. ED ? ā¦the main problem most of us suffer from thatās driving us all to depression.??
ā¦are you saying GHB cured those?? Did you have pain in your genitals??
Well, actually I wasnāt selftreating when I took propcia, and I wasnāt selftreating with the clomid. Me and my endo found out about the clomid stimulation test with 100mg/day for a week, and we used that as a starting point. We also knew about the visual sideeffects, but like propecia they should dissapear when getting off the drug, but they didnāt.
When I took HCG and testosterone shots, I was selftreating, but like you know, nothing bad happend from that.
This time around Im working together with my GP, but he pretty much lets me diside the treatment protocol. I trust him to stop me from doing anything stupid though.
JH
Fair enough I apologise for my error and stand corrected.
It is very depressing to hear that you were prescribed both the propecia and the stimulation test. In the latter case, lower doses of Clomid could have stimulated testosterone production over time without necessarily causing the same problems, a pity your doctor didnāt think about that.
I still think the premise of my prior post is correct, I still think I am perfectly correct regarding the nature of problems often inherent in self medicating and that it is far from ideal.
Well it is better to have someone on board obviously, particularly as the alternative if HCG is used means a questionable supply chain- Androgel/Testogel is much harder to fake or for anyone to tamper with.
But say for a moment that you were self prescribing Androgel.
At least you would have A) proven low testosterone and B) be using a proven and well understood medical therapy and C) be getting further pathology.
That would be a world away from what is truly and shockingly worrying;
The idea of self medicating a substance because some guy on the internet has posted something saying, all your problems are due to your xyz brain and to fix that you need xyz sulphate. Now these people do not know the difference between their xyz brain and xyz sulphate and their own arse or elbow, but they are perfectly willing to believe everything that they are being told and try and self medicate with the substance that they have been told about despite no proof/evidence and any efficacy at all in this setting etc.
I am certain that if I concocted a post that suggested that finasteride problems were due to crushed penile nerves or snapped synapses LOLā¦whatever making it up and said that bleach could help in small quantitiesā¦offer no proof of course but say to people hey it worked for meā¦.
I would be amazed in no one tried it, in fact I would expect a number of people to start asking me questions and consider trying it.
Makes you think how crazy some people get, desperation is one thing but some people just do not use any logic at all, they are willing to try anything no matter how crazy and potentially dangerous.
When you think that it was a drugs side effect that put people in this mess to begin with I find it bizarre and ironic that people are effectively willing to open themselves up to almost anything.
So GHB to fix your;
Carpet burn, side burns, bassoon, U bend, dog, pantaloons, breath, chess set, adams apple, ego, watch, monitor, mandolin, balls and neurotransmittersā¦ā¦on the basis of my say so and no evidence.
Ok?
But letās be clear you need to rub it into the backs of your palms while the moon is full if it is going to work. If you do that while eating a vindaloo through a didgeridoo it also sorts out your mortgage repayments and makes you a cup of coffee and all this is true because you must trust in what I am saying despite the complete lack of evidence of any kind.
P.S
Perhaps in many years to come it will be found that all hormonal problems can be solved by eating sandā¦ā¦whoās for the beach?
Now that is a justified tangent if ever there was oneā¦sad
Paul people on this site including myself are still wondering about weather you were sincere about your sexual dysfucntion problems. You only emphasized anxiety in the beginning and didnāt talk about libido at all until the next post when someone asked you said you had little feeling. That would be the main thing I would emphasize first especially on this site as that is the only reason people ultimately come here.
Are you saying you basically had no sex drive and now its completely back and was that ultimately the main focus of your recovery or just the anxiety and fatigue was your main focus. Also what kind of diet were you on. Maybe that did more to contribute the GHB being much more effective. I donāt mean to be rude either I just want to know a little more.
Thanx~infected
yeah, me too pablo! Please man. Youāve excited us all. Please be there for us now to entertain more questions.
I believe at this point youāre probably, and hopefully, ready to put this behind yourself by now, but at least be direct to some specific questions we have now that youāve posted all this. And still I thank you for this, but just answer some qās for a bitā¦
ANd btw guys, like Iāve said (Hypo, jim) Iāve tried the stuff. 2mg every night before bed would only be like the equivalent of like having a gin and tonic before bed every night, so its not like its fucking you up. Its just probably settling down your entire system enough to take it out of panic mode enough so you can seriously sleep and heal. Thats my understanding. It doesnāt seem dangerous to me. he only danger involved of course is if you take too much, like if youāre stupid and take a sip out of the bottle. My buddy used to have it in a one liter tonic bottle under his sink with a poison label on it, and when he wanted it, measured it out in a small graduated cylinder then mixed it with a little fruit juice. Its tiny tiny amount.
But again, it would not fuck you up much at all. To me it seems like it would be like taking a mild subtle dose of a light anti-depressant once a day, but I donāt know about the rest of you but I actually began taking my 5mg of Celexa every NIGHT before i went to bed when I used to take it for a few months, and I liked that much much better, because you didnāt have that like zombie like feeling for most of the day the next day.
The only prob at first was it sometimes kept me up if I didnāt fall right to sleep, but eventually Iād get used to it, and also just time it perfectly, have it on the bed table right before I was gonna fall asleep, Iād pop it, and try to fall asleep within minutes. and I liked it much much better this way taking it like this the night before.
Anyway, thats my two cents about medicating once daily to chill yourself, and your body out. But hell, I wanna try this GHB treatment. I think its probably good. I often feel like half the reason my balls are aching most of the time is because Iām thinking about them, touching them, and also from the zinc, shit. I just hope I cure. and the rest of you too.
Btw, any of you notice it feels better when you walk for a while? Well I wanna pull a Forest Gump!! Well not really, but if I donāt get better quick, I think Iām gonna take off and try to walk it off for a few months, either on the AT or the Pacific Rim Trail I would really really like to do. Just walk it off. Its better than siting around being depressed and aching. Walking feels great to me, so if anyone else feels the same and is interested, let me know, Iām taking applicationsā¦!! lolā¦ nah but iām serious. I need to just walk this off.
sorry for the long post.
Take care. Let me know if someone has a line on some GHB too please.
I was thinking of a way to try to get one of my chemistry professors in school to help me get it, but I just donāt know what Iād say to them???
Boston
^^^^^^^^^^
Your last post highlights my last post/point perfectly Boston.
Why not just use Valium, Xanax, Librium or Ativan to increase the GABA. There are really cool studies showing that these benzodiazepines do cause the brain to feel āyoungerā and can cure our visual problems (maybe this is more of a problem for me than you). Seriously, check out these articles. Iām going to get a prescription for Xanax. Sounds like it does the same thing GHB does, only itās more commonly prescribed.
Xanax is not a good drug to increase libido donāt try it GHB is most likely a way better optionāxanax actually decreases libido
You say that, but Xanax does the same thing GHB does. It increases the effect of GABA. It decreases libido for the same reason alcohol doesā¦ because itās a depressant. GHB does the same thing.
this morning I took an ativan that I had left over from the past b/c I was having trouble sleeping and angry and got many erections about an hour later and fell asleep and got a wet dream. So gaba is probably a major part to this indeed. Unfortunately after I woke up I still canāt erections now and nothing else has changed.
Hi Everyone.
I have just gone back onto propecia, and things are FANTASTIC! My hair is growing back lush and strong. And my erections have never been better. I worked out what the problem was if you want to listen. What happened was is certain steroids (like propecia) can strip away all the good bacteria in the intestines to invite candida. This perpetuates a syndrome called leaky gut. What makes leaky gut worse is the fact that in developing leaky gut, we get a whole host of allergies (I suggest you read up on leaky gut and candida). We became allergic to the āāpropeciaāā drug and hence further inflamed our bodies. That is why we became so sick. Surely there are hormonal problems, but the fact that testosterone will not go back to its original level is more to to with adrenal gland insufficiency (the body has much more of a priority in detoxifying the liver and optimising other organs when under stress than to think about producing testosterone).
I became healthy after a good program of GHB (which helped me to relax). Using Nystatin to get rid of candida, and a no sugar and allergy free diet to heel the leaky gut. Now as a maintenace I use probiotic 6 times a day to prevent a future outbreak of candida causing the leaky gut. Hence I will always be able to tolerate propecia from now on.
I kind of felt sorry for merck, with all you guys attacking them. Take responsibility for your own actions! You were probably the guys that blamed the teachers at school for getting low grades, for blaming your parents that you are socially retarded, blaming your girlfriends that you cant get erections. You have never once seen me blame merck for ME making up MY OWN mind once on this sight.
The more you blame, the more you stress. The more you stress, the less success!
Trust thius protocol and you will grow back all your hair, feel fantastic, and never have to worry about getting sick again!
How much have Merck paid you?
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Thanks for that crumb of scientific insight Paul, and your insults. I was willing to listen to your theories on GHB but this ā absolutely all the problems we are experiencing is due to candida ā is simply RIDICULOUS.
Thanks for calling us all liars. Post that tripe again ā ie, its OUR fault the drug fucked us up ā and you will be banned.
You obviously never suffered from true Finasteride side effects in the first place, otherwise you wouldnāt post such asinine comments.
You have just insulted everyone on this board with the above, I advise you to apologise for your actions, because as you can read from the various stories, hormone profiles and studies on this site, this drug does more than just cause ācandidaā (Show me the studies linking Finasteride use to candida, pleaseā¦ I do keep an open mind).
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GHB is definitely a drug thats not easy to come by, at least for me and the people I associate with. Stuff like cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, and LSD are easier to come by I think, most people have not even heard of GHB.
So as I was looking through anabolicminds.com I saw that a product called X-dream was being promoted. Supposedly it helps you sleep better, feel more relaxed, and significantly raise HGH levels. So I wonder if this product can help out. I figure it canāt hurt to buy a bottle and try it out, so I think I just might order it. I have no doubt in my mind that once I figure this out, I will regain my sex life and things will be even better than before I took the drug, I feel that I only owe it to myself.
You should post on some of the Candida forums. You would be a star. Not sure if the forum is full of fucking idiots like yourself, but you never know.
I too donāt put Merck as the responsible party for pplās issues. It was a prescription that many filled even after they first felt a side effect. Yes they say side effects will go away after discontinuedā¦but never really say they will go away if patient continues to take and then quits. Technicality that Iām sure is bitter sweet for some.
But man, your posts and theories really highlights the fact that you are a fucking moron.
Jack
Apparently there is also a legal GHB analogue called GABOB. I am not sure of the effectiveness of this product and I donāt think Iām at a point where I would try it, I think I will try the X-dream first and see if it does anything.
Thereās two products being sold.
http://www.biogenesis-antiaging.com/p40/Gamalate-B6/product_info.html
and
http://www.biogenesis-antiaging.com/p122/Gabob-(Amino-Butyric-Acid)/product_info.html