Getting so much worse after 100% recovered

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#11

Hello guys, wanted to do an update and see if someone here have an idea of what is happening…

As I said in this post I started to feel bad 2 months ago more or less… The thing is, far to improve the sides, these have gone so so worse… It’s a week ago now that I completely lost my erections, complete impotence, and a mix of brainfog sometimes and a horrible tiredness… I can’t even be fluent at work… I’m really bad…
As I said in some posts I was completeley recovered from the CRASH in 2015, I was 100% back guys, and it has been like this almos 2 years… And now don’t really understand what’s going on…

I wanted your opinion guys, aobut what I’m gonna explain. As I said I was fucking good, but 2 months ago that I started to feel tired, my sexdrive sometimes wasn’t the same… Also I started to fell my hair more greasy… So I decide to go to a doctor that was dermatologist but he was like cecking all the parameters in your body, trating your whole body not just your skin or so…

He checked everything, and also said to me, “we are gonna make a hair test as well” Then this girl came, explained me what they were gonna do and aslo another girl said, we are gonna put this vitamins in your hair as well to make it stronger. I did not even pay attention, and I said ok ok…

The thing guys is that in the 2nd visit to this doctor, he ckecked all the results of the blood tests and that stuff and at the end he said (im gonna give you this natrual things bla bla bla and also said, “and for your hair im gonna give you…” I quickly response “I don’t want nothing for my hair since I had all the problem I told you taking this poison” and he also said “Ok don’t worry, I also was gonna give you this lotion we are making here but we can put out Dutasteride”
I was like “Wait, Did the vitamins you put me have this shit inside??” And he said that not, that this were just vitamins… But the way he said i’m not sure… So guys, I was already feeling myself bad, but also since that I’m feeling worse… If this shit were with Dutasteride I think I’m fucked ain’t I???
Since I was fucking recovered but for us any single shit of that can destroy us again…
Tomorrow i’m gonna find out if it really were just vitamins or what… But I’m scared guys…

You think that even a small dose of that shit could CRASH me again right???

Than you guys…

#12

Yes, @newton developed PFS after using fin, feeling better for many months then using a natural topical hair product which contained a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor. People have often reported developing mild PFS symptoms from using minoxidil topically (also a 5ari).

If I were you I’d phone and ask specifically what was in the product they gave you. I would wager it contained an antiandrogenic or 5ari substance.

#13

Thank you mate,

Yeah tomorrow I’m going to ask that… Actually I’m fucking really scared…
As I said I recovered myself 100% for 1,5 years… The thing is that I was already feeling myself strange before going to that doctor… But now is worse!
Did these guys recover themselves again after this second CRASH??

Thank you

#15

Wtf!!! Putting this fuck or similar things in Shampoos? Vitamins? For me it is clear, men are going to be destroyed. This is the plan. Okay.
Never go to a doc re your hair or prostate. NEVER EVER. Groaarr.

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#16

I know… dont know yet but gonna found out tomorrow… I’m scared men… What about if is natural inhibitor…? I recovered once…100% dudes I swear… Maybe I can do it again can’t I??

#17

Okay David, lets do some bloodwork.
Would you mind doing that? It would be cool. .You could create a recovery blog. It would be nice to see your symptoms and steps undertaken to cure yourself again. We might try it AS well (your steps) and be cured finally. At least some. Many THX Dave. Raphael

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#18

Yes, although not as powerful natural inhibition is still inhibition. People are here after using saw palmetto. Regarding recovery, that’s very lucky. I would therefore remain optimistic considering you’ve bounced back before. In the mean time if I were you I’d certainly be steering clear of anything a dermatologist wants to stick on you. All the best.

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#19

Sin%20t%C3%ADtulo

Just went to the doctor and they gave me (even showed the bottles) of the stuff the put on my hair…
Was -Inositol - pantothenic acid - aminobenzoic acid and also Biotin…

So dont think I crashed because of that since are just natural vitamins… what u think guys?
THen I don’t fuking know why I am like that… but I’m quite fucked up… Hope to improve again since I didnt take any drug and I was 100% recovered… I’m taking VItamin D now cause it came low in my last bloodtest…

THank you guys

#20

I’m sorry to hear about this, David.

I wonder if stress was the trigger as you’ve suggested. Would you say that your feelings about your relationship were something that were weighing on you heavily or were you moving along and generally getting over it?

Did you have a system to recover before? Could you replicate it?

#21

Well dude,
I’m actually a really sensitive guy… And thinks with couples and that stuff affects me I think too much… WIth this girl I had a lot of ups and downs until by may of this year we were still talking (I was still loving her) and suddenly she said she was dating someone else and that fucked me up… I was keeping moving but you know, inside of me that was hard… So could be one of the triggers… who knows…
THe think is that right now I’m not good… But if I recovered once, now that I didn’t take anything have to do it again.
Look, this day I’ve been recovering mails and stuff from the first crash (april 2015) until my 100% recovery (may 2016) more or less, but until october 2016 didn’t say it in the forum…
THe things I did were not too much,
by may of 2015 i took a pills that are called Dogmatil, just because I couldn’t control my anxietty and insmonia.
That helped me I think a lot with this issue, and allowed me to keep going with live but still with complete impotence…
So in sexual terms, everything improved reaaaaally slow, just with time. Months with complete impotence, didn’t even touch it ( I had even penile shrinkle)… Then sometime I woke up with weak erections… and then I was able to put a video and have a boner… bit a bit…
Then, by october of 2016 (still reaaaaally heavy ED) I went to an endocronologist and she gave me a multivitaminic called CN-Base and a Liver detox called Scientific liver detox.
I took them during a month or so… And the sexual sides were still improving on that time…
By march of 2016 I was quite better and on April I meet a girl for first time one year later… I had a really good sex with her but I took a small piece of cialis… From that day I kept having sex with girls and my live came back… Till 2 fucking weeks ago ;(
In this 2 weeks though, I have had complete impotence, except last sunday that I could have erection and I jerked off… So at least was an improvement…
But right now I think the worst side is the fucking tiredness I have… Im sleepy all the day and I was having so much energy before…
Im taking vitamin D now…
Last summer, I had a period where I was having a really bad brain fog, I also had some ED but nothing really heavy, I recovered in some months… So maybe now can be the same.
You can see my post “I WAS RECOVERED”
Thank you mate

#22

It was probably the vitamins, most likely the biotin. Anything that can regrow hair is probably dangerous.

#23

I think there’s every reason to think that your current position will improve.

As you have recovered before, and not with a bolt of lightning and then a sudden return to form, I think your body did the necessary things and righted itself. It’s possible that it could be a quicker recovery this time around, since your body has already gone through the process.

It’s good that you know what you did before too so you can hopefully replicate the steps. You should document your progress - I hope you won’t need it again but you might be able to help someone else with the info.

Drop me a PM if you need support.

#24

do you think?? I’m not sure… I’ve been reading and don’t think that has nothing to do with all this mess… As I said I was feeling really tired already before they put the vitamins… and some time I felt my erections not as hard as always… so maybe I was gonna crash anyway…
Well… fingers crossed to be better.

#25

You didn’t mention that earlier and I haven’t kept up with all your posts.

If it wasn’t the vitamins then your androgens just got worse by themselves, like I said before in my first reply to your topic.

I don’t see why it matters either way, you have PFS again now and nothing besides luck is going to fix it.

#26

David, it is time to restart and create a log with your symptoms and protocols.
You will get help for sure in case you dont see any progress and it would be something finally credible AS you recovered already once.
Looking forward to your log! Raphael

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#27

Most Vitamins interact with 5AR/androgens in some way.

#28

Have you done any blood work recently?

Surgery, stress, anxiety can ALL lower hormones DRASTICALLY. These might have been contributing factors to how you feel now and your lower hormones could be making you feel this way. You may not even have this genetic issue that a lot of us have. Hypogonadism can cause a lot of your sides that you explained such as ED, low energy, no sex drive, etc.

#29

Hello mate,

Yes I did have a really extense bloodtest… All came up good, except Vitamin D… Testosterone was good (quite high)… So I don’t really now what is going on… It has been an horrible week, today I feel a bit better though, I woke up and don’t feel this mix of tiredness and brainfog so heavy that I was feeling… It has been so so so hot here in Spain these 2 last weeks, sweating while sleeping at night etc…and casually yesterday it rained a lot and the temperatures went down drastically…(from 38º to 21º) I went out yesterday to take some freshair after the rain… Don’t know but I’m feeling a bit better today.
Still tired, the path is gonna be long again but hope to improve with time again…

Thank you so much Gents93.

#30

When was this blood test and can you share some actual values with their respective ranges?

#31

Any protocol so far? Just time? I dont see any clear symptoms of other pfs guys. I am out here. Good luck.