Food for thought

Hi guys,

I don’t know if anyone has ever started a thread like this, and since I’m relatively new to PFS (3 and a half months in, worst 3 and a half months of my life), I’ll just go for it. I was thinking about a few things today, about why we have to suffer through such a horrendous illness (let’s face it, it is a disease, as nobody knows how to fix it, and it attacks our health), and why so many people still either choose to ignore it, are uneducated about it or actually think this is all in our heads. There’s a few things working against us, if we ever want to find a cure for PFS, and I was wondering for a little while - imagine if somebody in a position of power, wealth or fame decided to take propecia, and ended up in the same boat as us. How much more attention would be paid to finding a cure or a truly effective treatment for symptoms then? A few factors working against us

  • nobody in a prominent position is going through this, and despite a fleeting interest from mainstream media which seems to have faded, there is no widespread acceptance of PFS as an illness. heck - even a majority of the medical community seem to think this is make believe, or that the number of people suffering is much lower than it is.
  • we’re working against a multi-billion dollar pharma, who has a vested interest in making sure their product stays on the market, and seems disinterested in either working towards shutting down production, performing more closely controlled and extended trials, updating awareness and warnings for the potential life-changing damage their drug can do, or investing money into research for a cure or effective treatment, which ultimately they are responsible for. bringing me to my next point
  • there will always be a stigma that we have brought this upon ourselves, therefore we are effectively on our own. it is my belief that while this is true to a point, we were led to believe that such a small population of people suffer from irreversible side effects, and it is so uncommon it has the same percentage chance of being hit directly by lightning (or something to that effect, you get my point). i think a lot of finasteride users were aware of the side effects and ‘rolled the dice’, so to speak. but then there’s people like me, who were prescribed the drug with NOT A SINGLE WARNING from their GP, and took the drug before even knowing about possible side effects. I wasn’t even aware of ANY significant side effects, let alone irreversible ones, before starting to feel ‘off’, and googling for side effects. regardless, it comes down to gross negligence by both Merck, and the FDA for producing a drug that can change somebody’s life for the much, much worse. if there was even a whiff of anything like this in their trials, the drug should have been shut down and never heard of again. it is a sad world we live in, where a group of people’s health - albeit a small group - is heavily outweighed by the profit margins and ‘hush hush’ nature of big pharma.

and finally

  • nobody has a clue why we specifically are effected like this, and the population of people affected is so small in comparison to people with cancers, for instance, that the money needed to truly and effectively research a cure will sadly, probably never become available, unless Merck decide to become decent human beings and help, or a court rules to that effect.

what we need is a proactive and prolonged media campaign, combined with multiple lawsuits and awareness raising within both the general medicine and research fields, to bring some kind of effective solution here. who knows how that could even happen, but there seems to be some bright dudes on here - despite our good friend brain fog - and collectively we should be able to brainstorm some ideas for all of the points raised above. if anyone wants to add to this thread - what is needed, what could be done, or anything - please feel free. we are some desperate individuals, and desperate individuals work well together (see, spartans, soviet resistance WWII).

at the moment though, it looks like we’re left to our own devices, and for someone with a very language friendly and non-scientific brain, i don’t even know where to begin.

thought it might be an interesting idea to see what we could come up with.

What’s particularly scary about this is for 9 years I had ZERO noticeable side effects attributable to finasteride, only upon stopping. I’m not even sure researchers are aware side effects can come on after discontinuation. I have only heard them as WORSENING or CONTINUING after cessation, but not BEGINNING after creasation.

While my symptoms definitely got much worse after stopping, they definitely didn’t begin after stopping. Wow, I feel for you man, that is scary.

I disagree. you must have some sides while on Fin but maybe you were taking some multivitamins which masked the sides and when you stopped fin and Mulitivitamins you got feelings that sides started after stopping. I am sure you are missing something here.

I had the same exact thing happen to me. I was on propecia for 10 years without any side affects and my body crashed a couple months after stopping propecia.

are you sure you were not taking any other meds or multivitamins? and coincidentally you stopped both at the same time?
VitD3 gives improves health afte pfs, maybe you were on something with VitD3 in it while you were on Fin.

No, I am sure the crash was a result of stopping propecia. I have always taken multivitamins. I took them while I was on propecia and I continued to take them when I went off propecia.

what kind of MV are you taking? please check them to make sure they dont have Saw Palmetto or Betasitosterole. These days many companies are mixing this in Multivitamins? maybe to kill fertility of people.This is not a joke, it is well organised yet secret agenda.A well organised Group is deliberately trying to reduce world population through medicines, herbs, and food.They want to control World resources. I know many people will laugh at it but time will show it is true.

I never took multivitamins on propecia.

While taking it for 9 years, the only strange things i noticed was massive gum inflammation and decay, slight weight gain, tmj, mal de debarquement syndrome. Nothing I would ever think attributable to finasteride. In fact I had an amazing sex drive which is finally coming back again!!!

I take centrum. I don’t take anything with saw palmetto.
I also have severe gum recession.

Aaa123- I see your approaching 5 years. How do you feel? I feel like I’m getting better and better. I desire sex sometimes 2 or more times a day. I no longer get fatigued and brain fog after orgasm. My sleep and digestion are slowly improving, I’m dreaming more. Mentally I’m sharper and sharper, anxiety and depression are almost gone. Even in my downward spikes, I have libido and energy again. My face is getting less and less red. This is after 1.5 years after stopping. How are u doing?

My side affects were mainly physical. I didn’t have the severe mental affects that some of the members of this forum go through. After the initial crash, I had zero sexual functioning and zero libido. About 6 months after the crash, I returned to about 50% functioning and libido. Over the last 5 years, penis size and my ability to maintain an erection has remained at about 50%. My penis size fluctuates but is usually smaller than it should be. My libido has very gradually gotten better with intermittent good months and bad months. I am OK with my libido but I need Cialis to maintain strong erections and to get my penis to its normal size.