So i took fin for about 6 months, been off fin for almost 3 years now but i cant seem to shake
the brain fog and anxiety although my erections are somewhat back to normal.Its crazy because
it seems as if i am constantly panicking everyday ,feeling off balanced ,and have agoraphobia even
at my house.Anywhere i go i start to get the fight or flight feeling i even feel weird just talking to friends and tend to isolate myself.This is seriously affecting my quality of life and seems to be getting worse with time than better.I dont really exercise or eat healthy but i have started taking fish oil.I was just wondering if this could be fin related and if anyone else was experiencing these type of sides?
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anxiety has been reported often on this board. I suggest you do a search as there is a lot of info on this topic.
Yep, had it too 24/7. And, as in your case, it was getting worse with time. I treat it successfully with high quantity of transdermal pregnenolone, which, as suggested by a paper (jneurosci.org/content/24/46/10318.abstract), normalizes the neurotransmitters.
The life-flo pregnenolone package that you can buy over the counter suggests to take 15 mg/day. You may need waaaay more than that to feel something. If you decide to go this route, you should do it under a dr’s supervision. For example, I currently take 400-500 mg/day, and I used to take much more (up to 1500-2000 mg/day).
Note that pregnenolone-only fixed the anxiety and brain fog, but nothing else. My heart was still beating super fast, it was still hard to sleep, I still had no libido (actually, libido decreased on pregn-only).
How long have you been on it? I still deal with anxiety very bad. It was one of the reasons I am no longer working, plus fatigue, cognitive problems, and some others. I have been avoiding all hormones as I’m so sensitive to everything, from a multivitamin to ibuprofin. One of my friends calls me a scared kitty because of this.
Yeah, I would be glad to avoid hormonal treatment too, if only I had been improving instead of getting worse! I’ve been on pregnenolone since January 2011.
The anxiety is from low cortisol or very high cortisol. both have similar symptoms, with anxiety being one. After cortisol it is high for so long it will crash and stay low.
In response your body tries to adapt by increasing adrenaline, noradrenaline, and dopamine. All of these make you feel wired and anxious.
You can try a combination of fish oil, rhodiola, vit c, b complex, and 5htp to mend the problem. Also magnesium will help a ton. When you r in this fight or flight mode, your body is depleted of it, leading to an imbalance with copper dominating. Magnesium really helps with a soothing feeling.
Fukmerk, as terrible and crushing as severe anxiety can be, take comfort in the fact that many people without PFS suffer from it so you are not alone. I go through phases of severe anxiety now too. Another good thing is there are a few things that should help.
. Fish oil - what brand are you taking now? most fish oil is shit and won’t help you to get any DHA/ EPA and probably contains mercury
. Magnesium
. 5 htp - 60 mg daily is enough to calm your mood
. Exercise
. Hot baths/ cold showers
And definitely take a look into pregnenolone
Can i ask, how long did it take for your erections to get better? have other issues also fixed over time, like sex drive?
If you have beaten sexual side effects and now just have anxiety - you have came a long way mate!
Hi all, hope all is as well as can be expected here,
Question-- I’ve developed an anxiety disorder from my delightful propecia experience. Basically it is OCD, and is interfering in my life. It can be debilitating, and makes me fearful. I have bad thoughts about my libido/sexual functions and I generally quell the anxiety by whacing off. I know its fucking crazy but the psych I’ve been seeing really wants me to try Paxil for a trial but I’m also fucking scared thats going to fucking affect me sexually and I’ve heard the stories of people with post SSRI problems. Nightmare…
So I feel trapped. Can’t really go on operating like this and not sure what route to take regarding medications to treat this…
Any insight would be appreciated.
FTI – I’m part of the mass tort lawsuit and also had a wand stuck up my ass lastweek to check my prostate per the Solonjk thread…All is seemingly clear…
Anyway cheers…
What makes you think I’m improving? I’m just not functioning in the real world.
Mikey, don’t listen IMO. Taking an ssri, ESP ps il which has known awful side effects worse than sexual, is not worth it.
Moon man and uk20, I can’t take/do any of these except fish oil because they either dont help or exacerbate the problem.
Does anyone else have this issue?
have you had a 24 hour urinary cortisol test?
have you tried taking 5 htp?
have you tried taking magnesium?
have you tried taking l-theanine?
Sorry, Martin. My answer was unclear. I just meant that since I have been getting worse with time, I was “forced” to take some action along the hormonal route to try and stop the deteriorating of my situation. I don’t know if I would have taken this route if I had been slowly improving with time.
Mikey, anxiety is 100% a hormonal problem and it is fixable with bioidentical hormones*, not with SSRIs or other artificial molecules unknown to our body (and therefore more dangerous).
*I don’t suggest boosting testosterone, though, because it makes most people get worse.
After about the 1.5 year mark I’m getting worse with time too. I am just so afraid of trying anything that will set me back further because I don’t know if I’ll ever climb out of the hole to get to where I’m at now. I agree this may be one of the only things I can try but given how everything has rebounded on me, and these are hormones, I could really deteriorate if they don’t work or my body further adjusts my hormones to the negative.
What I’m saying is I feel the force too, deterioration, but given my post fin pattern I’m really worried that it may be the last action I take ever…
Moon man,
Yeah man, I’ve tried every supplement under the sun, except the rhodiola, I will order some of that from T-nation but its really odd because the way I deal w anxiety is to jerk off, that is my therapy. I don’t know the alternative to a med (SSRI) because I can’t continue on like this.
I’ve had a cortisol test ( not sure I remember the name) but Dr. Jacobs injected me with something and the results were somewhat high…
Mikey
Hey bro for the fish oil im taking the omega red krill oil and for the erections to get better it took about 2 1/2 years, but my sex drive and libido are still out of service so i can get a boner but with no intentions to use it.Its weird cause its like being aroused but not being aroused its sucks hahh.I want to say thanks to everyone for the feedback also.I dont know but it seems the people who took fin for a short amount of
time tend to have the extreme anxiety or GAD or at least in my case.It is very debilitating to be living like this, we all got mercked by merck i hope they pay for this…literally.
Chronic anxiety/ stress is terrible for the body - it quite literally kills people. Have you thought about going on a paleo or gluten free diet? meditation?
I have seen a number of cases where people with persistent mental issues have responded very well to more holistic therapies and good nutrition. CDnuts is a great example and the guy from Brazil who made a full recovery after 7 years.