Emerging Roles for Neurosteroids in Sexual Behavior and Function

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Abstract

Although gonadal and adrenal steroids heavily impact sexual function at the level of the brain, the nervous system also produces its own steroids de novo that may regulate sexual behavior and reproduction. Current evidence points to important roles for neurosteroids in sexual and gender-typical behaviors, control of ovulation, and behaviors that strongly influence sexual interest and motivation like aggression, anxiety and depression. At the cellular level, neurosteroids act through stimulating rapid changes in excitability and direct activation of membrane receptors in neurons. Thus, unlike peripheral steroids, neurosteroids can have immediate and specific effects on select neuronal pathways to regulate sexual function.

An alternative approach is to use drugs that specifically increase neurosteroid concentrations. The antipsychotic agents clozapine and olanzapine may improve schizophrenia by increasing brain allopregnanolone synthesis (Marx et al, 2006). Similarly, the reduction in aggression induced by fluoxetine may be directly caused by increased allopregnanolone levels in the CNS, because the drug is effective at levels 10-fold lower than those that block serotonin reuptake (Pinna et al, 2003). Negative side effects of drugs may also be explained by neurosteroid modulation. Notably, preliminary studies indicate that, as in the rodent, finasteride may increase depression in men as a result of the loss of allopregnanolone (eg, Altomare et al, 2002; Rahimi-Ardabili et al, 2006). This raises the possibility that lowered levels of the neurosteroid contribute to the reduced sexual desire reported for some patients. Treatment strategies that take into account effects on neurosteroids and the development of drugs that singularly target neurosteroid biosynthesis may therefore provide superior therapies for patients.

annon1, interesting. Here is the abstract of the Pinna 2003 article cited above on low dose Fluoxetine (Prozac). I think Voice was given low dose Prozac by Eugene Shippen. The confusing thing is it speaks of allopregnanalone being down regulated under the effects of low dose Prozac, unless I am not reading this correctly. kazman.

Abstract

Social isolation (SI) of male mice lasting >4 weeks is associated with aggression toward intruders and a down-regulation of brain allopregnanolone (Allo) content. SI of female mice fails to down-regulate brain Allo content or to induce aggressiveness. Fluoxetine (Prozac in clinical use) is an S- and R-fluoxetine (FLX) mixture, which in mammals is metabolized into S- and R-norfluoxetine (NFLX). The S isomers of FLX and NFLX are more active than their respective R isomers in normalizing brain Allo down-regulation and in reducing the aggressiveness induced by SI. Thus, FLX stereospecifically reduces brain Allo down-regulation and the aggressiveness induced by SI, whereas serotonin (5-HT) uptake inhibition lacks stereospecificity. The doses of S-FLX and S-NFLX that reduce aggressiveness and Allo brain content down-regulation induced by SI are at least one order of magnitude lower than the doses that block 5-HT reuptake. Doses of imipramine that inhibit 5-HT uptake neither reduce aggressiveness nor normalize brain Allo down-regulation. We conclude that Allo brain content normalization is a better candidate than 5-HT reuptake inhibition to explain the reduction of aggressiveness elicited by S-FLX and S-NFLX.

I read your paragaph, I thought it said prozac REDUCES brain allo downregulation, meaning it prevents downregulation? Unless I’m it wrong??

annon1, you are correct. I was reading too late at night (and possibly with too little allopregnanalone of my own) and failed to grasp these sorts of double negative.

The Pinna reference specifies “normalizing alloprenanalone down regulation” and “reduces allopregnanalone down regulation” which should mean allopregnanalone levels rise under the influence of the drug. Wonder if we can find a human (rather than rat) study indicating at what dosage levels seratonin reuptake begins to be inhibited by Prozac, as clearly we would want to stay well below those levels, given some reading of the negative side effects of SSRIs.

No problem dude. There are nights where I’m up till 3-4am researching stuff…

I heard dr. shippen uses low dose prozac for some of his patients…This could help…

Also, Ganaxolone (INN, also known as CCD-1042) is a steroid drug related to allopregnanolone which has sedative, anxiolytic and anticonvulsant effects. It is a potent and selective positive allosteric modulator of GABAA receptors.

This drug is in phase II trials for people with epilepsy. This is something else we could experiment with, however getting our hands on it will be a challenge.

Does anyone know what dosage of Fluoxetine is recommended? I am on 20mg per day to cope with post-fin depression and it is SHRINKING MY PENIS FURTHER!!!

did a doctor give it to you or are you self medicating AGAIN? - go see a serious professional.

What do you mean AGAIN? If you mean fin then you’re right I did self-medicate, like many here I bet, and while it no doubt led to my disaster I still think you’d have to be slightly silly to spend however many $$$$ actual propecia costs per month than you would on styling your hair for an entire year.

Prozac was supplied by a doctor. I was/am very wary of anti-depressants, even avoiding them when I had a fin-induced panic attack because of fears of sides, yet naively I suppose thought a pill FDA approved for your fucking HAIR couldn’t do any bad damage.

I am typing this from a hospital computer; the previous guy, in his 50s, has left open a load of sites for discreet fucking. :unamused:

Prozac and SSRIs in general are notorious for causing sexual dysfunction, which may or may not resolve. Look up Post-SSRI Sexual Dysfunction. You are playing with fire, and now cannot be sure whether your problems are Finasteride induced or SSRI induced. Suggest you ween off, supplement with fish oil, excercise and forgot about anti-depressants.

I’m pretty sure SSRI use for a couple of weeks didn’t cause my muscle wastage, penile shrinkage, scrotal tarophy etc thanks Mew. And I will ween off at some point, like I should have done with finasteride. Bear in mind 22 million Americans alone use prozac and this forum almost has as many active users as the PSSD group.

This drug may offer hope in brain fog, anxiety and depression but little in terms of sexual sides. Note this from the drug’s info page. What we really need is the real stuff. Allopregnanolone.

"An important distinction between allopregnanolone and ganaxolone is that while they share the same binding profile, ganaxolone does not appear to generate metabolites that have significant classical nuclear steroid hormone activity (For substance summary, please click here.) and therefore is not expected to have steroidal side effects. "