Sorry to hear that, Joe… I was hoping niacin could bring me a little relief. I have to say that I started taking a few vitamins (vitamin D, Tribulus and L-arginine). They brought me to a state where I no longer “crash” after an ejaculation, although I’m not completely free from the depression and brain fog. I have bought vitamin B3 as well but didn’t take them, since they’re the non flushing type.
My face became oiler and my hair fell more than it was falling before, but still not pre fin.
Hey Gmourra,
Thank you for your post and I am glad you don’t crash anymore. Actually there´s no need to feel sorry for me. I am still doing pretty good compared to other Propecia/finasterid victims. I wouldn’t call it crashes anymore it´s more like I have one or two bad days afterwards. It seems to be like a hormonal imbalance or my hormonal system gets out of control. But after two days my body seems to regenerate. In my case it´s definitely not something like a brain damage or a damaged organ because I am able to get a mental and physical prefin state. No brainfog, no ED no shrinking, no depression or anxiety but as soon as I have an orgasm my body seems to react in a strange way. Recently I noticed a new symptom I hadn’t noticed before – maybe due to the high number of symptoms I had before. My legs begin to feel very weak some hours after an ejaculation. At the end of the day my legs feel like I would have been jogging this day or I would have walked a lot through the day although I had a quiet day. Since I do a lot of work and I am as fit as I have ever been this does not make any sense…
The good thing is I have the control over my state. As long as I abstain I am close to 100% - mentally and physically. I have to admit this sucks a lot when I compare it to a healthy person and I was hoping to recover 100 % after I was seeing so many improvements. And this also means I cannot have a normal sexual relationship and I have to be single for some time. But I know where I have been even some months ago and I read the PFS horror stories so I am grateful about where I am now…
Maybe I am going to give Tribulus and L-arginine a try…
Just a quick update. I had hope to be on a way to complete recovery but I had to admit that I still have this problem. As long as I abstain I feel pretty normal. I would say most of the time I feel like pre Fin although if I am very stressed I can get anxiety. But my good state crashes after an orgasm. With the help of the supplements I took I managed to get this good state and it also helped the crashes to be not too heavy but I still crash… So I was looking for a new approach. After reading gratefuls member story and his book recommendations I thought I would give this try. So I have read “the ultramind solution” and “the primal blueprint”. I´m on the 6 week ultramind program and try to abstain for the whole time. Since I don’t think I will make further progress with my regime I will get a little easy with the Niacin. I took 700mg almost every day. I think every two days will be enough and I try to get down to a 500 mg dose…
Hi Joe,
your story is very interesting. Thanks for your update and keep them coming. I was looking into the Primal Blueprint, too, not only for PFS reasons. Unfortunately, it’s hard to comply to it with my work schedule.
Hi Northern Star,
The primal Blueprint is also a little too tough for me and the Ultramind Solution is a little more appealing. But both books are similar. As far as I understand it TPB is more about fitness and TUS is more about getting rid of depression and mental problems. In TUS it is allowed to eat rice and corn, what makes it a little easier although the transition from a normal healthy diet to a gluten, sugar, lactose free diet isn´t really easy. TUS recommends eating a lot of legumes but TPB does not allow it at all. TUS is a book written by a doctor and you will learn a lot about cells and cell function and under which circumstance you should take a certain supplement. So this is very interesting because I was popping supplement pills and I didn’t know why it could help. There is also a chapter about balancing the hormones what seems to be my main problem. So if you haven’t read it I highly recommend it. I am going to try to adapt the fitness tips of TPB and maybe in the future I will try to live the Primal Blueprint way for 30 days but for now I try the ultramind Solution and I am curious to see if this makes any difference… I will update.
So here is another update. In the middle of November I noticed that my regime wouldn’t get me any further so I wanted to try something different. Since my endocrine system crashed every time after an ejaculation it seemed to be a good idea to abstain totally from it. And I wanted to live “the ultramind solution” way for 90 days and I already completed that. I managed to make further improvements in that period but I don’t believe that this has something to do with a gluten and lactose free sugar nutrition. I think what helps is the fact that you have to avoid a lot of unhealthy processed food due to the restrictions of this diets. So have to eat a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables, nuts, legumes, fish and oils high in Omega 3 fats… Maybe a low carb diet helps also but I don’t think that potatoes or rice are evil…
So how I feel right now is like Pre-fin most of the time – maybe even better, because I do some self-help or self-improvement things so that on my good days I feel even better – although do I still really know how I felt before? But I still get little pieces of the puzzles and I still have these moments where I think: “yeah this is what it felt like then…” I still can get bad days but they are not horrible anymore. These bad days are only bad days which are easily bearable. When I notice a depressive or anxiety it is not nearly as bad as it had been.
After a month into this diet and being abstinent I felt a slow but constant improvement. But my bad days could still get very bad. On these days I really doubted that this would work. So I thought about what else I could do. One reaction to that was I should live even stricter to the rules of the ultramind solution.
One thing was to do steam baths every night – for detoxification reasons and for sleep improvement and my sleep improved tremendously. Before that I woke up 3-4 times a night. When doing it I only wake up once a night. I also go to bed the same time and get up the same time every night. Once in a while I can sleep till the next morning without waking up.
The same time I started taking apple cider vinegar. Maybe this helps too for improving sleep. Further information regarding my sleeping ritual you will find here:
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewt … f=6&t=7713
Until then I had taken one of the best multivitamin available in Germany (eunova) but I felt nothing when taking it. Since I read that Germany isn’t the best source for high quality multivitamin I searched for foreign products and found this one:
sourcenaturals.com/products/GP2335/
When taking this product I didn’t suffer from brainfog when I did my workouts anymore. After a 30 min workout I was pretty done and I felt this pressure in my forehead. This didn’t occur anymore.
Another thing that helped me a lot was acupressure.
holisticonline.com/remedies/depr … essure.htm
Since this helped I ordered an acupressure mat which seems to work also.
Last thing I tried is Maca root which tastes awful. I benefit from that too. I often have strong long lasting morning erections.
Although I lived totally abstinent I tried to get an erection at least once a day - not to lose the ability to have one.
So as I said to achieve this progress I had to be totally abstinent, what is a pretty high price and I don’t know if my progress reverses when my abstinence stops. It is also not a good sign, that it was quiet easy to stay abstinent, but on the other hand I was very sick of what happened after an ejaculation. But I am getting better and better with every week and I want to keep the momentum going, so I don’t know yet, when I am going to be sexually active again…
So now I stopped living 100% the ultramind solution way but I will keep a lot of concepts of it. I will not be 100% strict in avoiding gluten, dairy and sugar anymore but I will try to eat as little as possible of it. I will focus on eating super healthy foods. So things like dark chocolate, cheese and whey protein will be okay…
So here is a little supplement list of what I take on a daily basis:
Morning: 1 tspoon of coconut oil, 1 spoon of flax seed oil, Vitamin D 2500 IU, 1 Omega 3 softgel, Vitamin B12 1200 IU, Magnesium pill, multivitamin pill, dark chocolate, a cup of green tea
Evening: 1 whey protein shake, 1 tspoon maca extract, 1 softgel cod liver oil, 1 spoon colza oil, 2 tablespoons of apple cidre vinegar, multivitamin.
Besides that I eat a lot of nuts, seeds, salmon, organic vegetables and fruits on a daily basis. I drink a lot of tea and vegetable juice. I take 500mg of Niacin every third day.
Some of those things I take to regulate my endocrine system, some are anti-fungal/bacterial infections, some things I take to boost the immune system. This diet plus some work out, Yoga, acupressure, steam baths and abstinence seem to help me a lot.
Hello- Glad to hear you are doing better!
It was interesting for me to read about your experience with brain fog and working out. I have the same problem - i really want to start working out again but everytime i try to do cardio i get bad brain fog that lasts for a day or two after. Do you really think that supplement you mentioned helped? Did your brain fog also linger after working out?
Hi Jeffbrdr
When I worked out the brainfog kicked in after 10minutes. But it didn’t last for days – maybe some hours. It is possible that the reason for this improvement is a long time benefit of one of the other things I did but I don’t think so, because there was no slow progress. I do a 30 min workout routine and after that I was usually pretty exhausted. Then suddenly one day no brainfog kicked in and after 30 min I would have been able to keep going. Every time I notice a step forward in my overall being I ask myself what did I do different? And in this case it was the multi vitamin. The brand also claims to have an energy activator so I give them credit for that improvement… I don’t know if you would benefit from it the same way. You have to try it. It is trial and error until you find something that helps you… Some things I tried made no difference. Some things made me feel worse (recently I tried a higher dose of vitamin B6 to lower prolactin and that made feel much worse) and then there are a very few things where I feel an almost immediate improvement and this Life force multi vitamin was one of those things…
quick update. I stopped the abstinence last weekend and had no problems afterwards. So I am still doing very good. As far as it seems I made a lot of right decisions in the last 6 months. I feel like 90-95% Recovered all of the time. No bad days left. I must think that this nightmare (which isnt a nightmare anymore) ends this summer completely…
Thanks for the update. After a few very shitty days this post gives me a lot of hope. Glad to hear you’re pretty much recovered! Enjoy your second shot at life, man.
Hi Cap,
I am happy to hear, that I could give you a little hope with my comment. You must know that like many other victims too, I had lost all hope and actually didn’t want to live anymore, although I never had real suicidal plans. 8 months after the last pill after a long hard fight I was totally sick of it all. But I couldn’t give up and I am glad I did not… Now I am 2 years and 2 months after the last pill and I am almost free of all my symptoms and these ups and downs stopped too. So now there are now bad days anymore. I hope you find ways to get better too. After what I read I think I was at a similar point like you and you seem to be on a good way too. Wish you the best.
Joe, it seems like your multi vitamin contains all important ingredients to counter CFS and to increase glutathione + methylation cycle in your body.
Hi Raberduck,
thank you for the information. Before taking that multivitamin I got exausted very fast. Since then I can push my body much harder. I think there is a connection between the intake and my progress. By the way I also take further B12 orally and it is methylcobalamin. Since the book Ultramind solution suggested not to take more than 1000mg I take only 500mg of it plus the 400mg included in the multivitamin.
I am not able and dont want to dig so deep into all of this scientific stuff that is going on in some threads here. I try to balance out my endocrine system and some things I do work pretty well for me…
Hey Joe,
one question: do you let the B12 disolve under your tongue/in your mouth or do you just swallow the pill?
No, not until now but if that has any benefits I am going to to try it. So I just swallowed this B12 powder capsule…
Nice to hear on your almost complete recovery Joe!
Just a quick question, is this the Multi you are currently taking? I’m looking for a new multi and would like to try the one you feel is working great. I most likely need a high quality one, all I’ve ever used is 1 A Day and Centrum.
Whats happens if you take more than 1000mg ? I normally take 5000mg B12 tablets.
@Mark2012
I just quick searched the book. The author recommends up to 1000mcg and not more. He doesnt say what happens if you take more.
@FeedMeMore
it´s not exactly what I take. mine is called Multple green and there are further “superfoods” included… I just wanna say that I only noticed this one short term benefit. So dont expect to take it and have an immediate progress of your overall being. Maybe it also helped me on a longer term but I wouldnt call it a miracle pill… But if you are looking for a good quality multivitamin I think this is a really good one.
@Raberduck, droit
While I just quick read the book Ultrmind solution I just noticed that the author writes a lot about methylation also in context with B12. He also recommends B12 shots or dissolving the B12 pill under the tongue.
So this is hopefully going to be one of my last updates. I still feel fantastic. But something happened since the last update. For several months now I noticed my eyelids were red, a little bit swollen and later itchy. At the beginning it was subtle but it got worse in time. So I thought something out of my regime would be responsible for that. So I experimented and searched for the cause. This got better but then it came back worse than before. Two weeks ago Dander fell from my eyes and the skin below my eyes got very dry and I got a lot of wrinkles. My skin looked like the skin of an old woman. I thought it was an allergic reaction. I stopped my whole regime and I immediately changed my nutrition. I started to eat a lot of bread, dairy products and even sugar products again. My skin problems disappeared, no wrinkles anymore, and even my state was still good maybe even better than before.
I think I ate too much of healthy fats: too many nuts, too many fat fish, too many omega 3 oils. The only supplements I still take now is Maca Root on a daily basis and now and then Niacin and that is it. 3 days ago I had the last orgasm and I had no mental symptoms and almost no physical symptoms. I even felt fantastic afterwards like it used to be.
Almost no supplements anymore, a normal diet, no mental symptoms and almost no physical smptoms. So I think I have overcome this nightmare.
Great news, Joe. Please make the occasional update every couple of weeks/months to see if your progress is sustainable. Good luck and thanks for the information!