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For me it has no clear pattern. Sometimes I just feel grea after!! Sometimes i feel like shit the nest day. I more and more thing there must be also a very big psychologial effect. For me stress makes all very bad. When I dont think of all this here, what is very very rare, my Penis looks sometimes very normal again.
Hey Brainbug, I totally agree with what you´ve written. That´s exactly the information I´m looking for. This is is something I haven´t read about on this site.
So please Mew, your post doesnt help me at all. I know what peoplle mean by crashing after they quit taking the pill. I stopped taking the pill over 1 year ago and I still crash after being sexual active. I´m able to get an erection. I have days were I feel completely recovered. But the day after an orgasm this changes. Sometimes I feel a little bit strange and sometimes I fall very deep and need days to recover. I crash over and over again. My Penis is shrinking and then days later it´s the normal size again. This is like a recurring nightmare. And even taking long breaks didnt help… So thats my problem. That is what I wanted to know. Are you guys still crashingmonths or years after quitting and what are those crashes like?
I have identical symptoms to Joe. Immediately after ejaculation I could feel a pressure in my head and brainfog setting in. Unfortunately, this got worse over time, and now the brain fog is always there without any periods of relief.
Joe, if you find anything out, please message me.
Hi Molybedenu,
I found something that helps. I´m not experimenting for so long with that but since I use it my symptoms decreased a lot. I found a link in a post on propeciahelp.com from a member with similar symptoms like mine: poiscenter.com/forums/index.php. In this forum the desease is called the Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrom. As I said I have very similar symptoms like the guys on this forum. I don´t know if I have POIS or if the use of Finasterid caused the break out of this but I can relate to their problems.
So the guys on this forum found something that helps them alot. It is Niacin - a B-Vitamin. I tried a lot of supplements like zinc, vitamin c, pregnenolone, fish oil, etc - with those I felt no improvement. With a vitamin B Komplex I even noticed an increase of my symptoms, what is strange since niacin is a B Vitamin as well…
So there are different types of niacin. What you need is the type where you get a flush (15 min after taking it your skin will turn red and you´ll get a itchy feeling inside). Here are some links:
livestrong.com/article/39072-niacin-benefits-side-effects/
somalab.net/niacin-sex-flush.php
news.menshealth.com/the-vitamin-for-a-stronger-erection/2011/08/18/
So Niacin shall help against depression, anxiety, sleeping problems and shall improve potency.
So what the guys on the POIS Forum suggest is a little bit bizarre but it helps.
To get the flush you should do a little fastening before. Sometime after the peak of this flush you may have the orgasm. I get a little brainfog afterwards, but all the other symptoms decreased or faded. My sleep improved a lot. Sometimes I feel like my old self again.
I know this seems like a weired thing to do but when I think about what this damn Finasterid Poison did to me this is just another strange side to it. And as long as it helps and I feel this a way to get my old self back I would do anything for that…
So give it a try
I just want to give an update about my situation and give some information about my past.
I think I started taking Propecia around 1998 or 1999 due to hairloss. I don’t know for how long I took it but I definitely had some breaks in that period because there were times were I ran out of money. I know that I quit the drug around beginning of 2001. Had lost my girlfriend, my job and my flat and couldn’t afford it anymore. This was the first time I experienced a depression in my life. These were hard times and I don’t want give this drug credit for everything that didn’t work out in my life – but there could be a connection. Then I didn’t think of any connection between this drug and the mental state. By the way – it stopped my hairloss and even let it regrow…
With time I recovered and at the end of 2001 I was okay again. Between 2001 and 2002 I took propecia again for 30 days but didn’t continue due to rising price of this drug. No problems during that period and after quitting as far as I can remember. So I was on and off this drug several times between 1998 and 2002.
2010 I thought lets give it a try again and I thought maybe now there is a cheaper alternative on the market and I found finpecia (1mg finasterid) and I ordered it. Until then I was a little naïve. I wasn’t aware that this would influence my hormones. I thought I was just taking a pill which would stop hair loss. Although it was obvious, I couldn’t see the connection between the insomnia that was beginning. I started the drug in November 2010 and in those days I couldn’t sleep for days. I had little prostate pain and began to notice signs of depression again. But I still could have good days also. I had a very good new years eve and then happened what I wrote in my first post.
So I stopped the drug, got some antidepressant, felt good for 3 weeks, could sleep very well due to this antidepressant and gave this damn finasterid a further try. By know it must have been the 6th or 7th time – damn fucking stupid me! So I am 3 weeks of the drug and taking 1 pill this and and another one the following day and I experienced a total crash. So now it was obvious what has caused the crash. I found this forum and found some information, that after quitting I should recover in 3 weeks as I experienced it some weeks before. But this time it didn’t happen. The first days after quitting again were horrible. I was in a total depressive, anxious state. Total brainfog, pressure in my head. This is very hard to describe – this was just a brainfuck and felt like bad trip I couldn’t get out of. My consciousness of the world was different also due to my mental state, maybe due to the pressure in my head or the blurring of my eyes – I really have no idea – maybe due to the antidepressant – this is also possible.
Anyway I didn’t recover this time. I hoped the time would heal or maybe any supplement . But nothing changed. And there was a connection between masturbation and my mental state. Everytime I did it I crashed again. I needed days to recover, to get a state that was at least bearable. So I tried to abstain and one time I had a period of 3 months of abstinence but this was also no solution. This didn’t improve my mental state. It just made me not crash. After 3 months I crashed again. So total abstinence didn’t help also.
I took a higher dosage of the antidepressant in May 2011 but this made me feel even worse so I quit that in August 2011 too and had to fight heavy withdrawal symptoms for weeks and months. In the months from February 2011 till the beginning of 2012 I just lived to survive. There were moments I wanted to die, I prayed to not to wake up the next morning. I wanted to die but didn’t want to kill myself because I have friends and family who love me and didn’t want to hurt them. On the other hand I wasn’t able to be good brother or friend because I wasn’t able to do anything. So I just tried to survive the day and the next, just to get better in time.
In December 2011 I noticed little improvements and this continued. I masturbated once in 2 or 3 weeks but still crashed every time. But my mental state some days after a crash improved. I started looking for answers again. So I posted something in April this year as you can see. I found Niacin on the POIS forum as you can read in a later post, which helped with my post ejaculation symptoms. And this was a total breakthrough for me. I didn’t crash anymore. I still could have very bad days but I didn’t crash! As described in the POIS Forum I only took Niacin before masturbation. And this worked really well.
Meanwhile I experimented some more with it. I tried to get a Niacin Flush every 2nd day and these days I take it every morning. I also eat licorice and drink licorice root tea regularly and I am making huge progresses. If taking finasterid messed up my androgens maybe Niacin regulates my estrogen and licorice my testosterone. I am not good at this science stuff… But what I notice is the improvement of my state. Maybe the detoxification effects of Niacin is helping. During a flush I can feel the improved blood flow and you get rid of the brainfog.
Since August I am making huge steps in the right direction. Anxiety and Brainfog are totally gone for days now. In May 2012 I still wasn’t in a good shape. But these days I feel almost totally recovered and I am starting being my old self again… I just wanted to share this.
PS:I posted further information about Niacin here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6750 )
I just want to give another update. I just want to complete the whole story. This is going to be a little diffcult because I am not a native speaker. I want to update the story because I am feeling very good these days and I think I am on a very good way. I want to write down all the details of symptoms I had and what I tried to fight them. Some things I will write I have written in previous posts. Some other details you can read in the earlier post and in the Niacin thread. I also want to write down what else could have caused my condition. So maybe this helps someone who has similar symptoms.
The first crash was at the beginning of 2011. I stopped Finasterid, got an antidepressant which helped with my insomnia and I recovered the next days. Felt good for 3 weeks and crashed again after taking another 2 pills of finasterid.
During the crash in February 2011 my perception of world was disturbed. I was totally anxious and the world seemed unreal and really dark. Was not able to have any positive emotion and was barely able to concentrate on the simplest tasks. It is really hard to describe that. This condition lasted for a couple of weeks improved just a little bit over the following weeks. I just tried to survive those days and I hid in my flat. Beginning of March was slightly better. I thought I was recovering as I did after the first crash but it would need a little bit longer. But after every ejaculation my symptoms worsened again and the improvement was gone. I tried the broccoli treatment, Vitamin A/B complex, zinc, fish oil but nothing helped. Abstinence helped only to not crash again and only to a certain degree. I tried to live as healthy as possible I tried to make more sports but when I started running my legs started prickling that I had to stop and was forced to scratch. Maybe it was a kind of a blood flow problem. So I stopped doing any sports and the time would be the healer. In April I started to have heart pain. I took Aspirin for some days what helped also mentally a little bit. So the heart problems disappeared.
My perception of the world was still different than before. I think this is what people describe as blurring vision. It was like seeing the world through a filter. My doctor had noticed a different size of my pupils. He sent me to an eye specialist because he thought I would have the horner syndrome but the eye specialist didn’t find anything.
I was freezing a lot and had very low body temperatures around 35 C. With the help of the antidepressant I could easily get to sleep but woke up very early. The mornings were the worst. I felt a sickness in my stomach. Anxiety was worst in the morning. Up until the evening I felt better.
Since my condition didn’t improve until may 2011 I decided to take a higher dose of the antidepressant but this made me feel even worse. So I decided to taper of mirtazapin/remergil. Last dose I took in August 2011. One week later I had to fight heavy withdrawal symptoms. Tried to fight that with Lorazepam for a week in moments where I thought I couldn’t handle it anymore… My whole state since February 2011 till February/March 2012 was just miserable but it was also changing. The following months till December were horrible. I had all the sides I had before and I noticed some further things. I felt pretty weak. My arms and legs felt weak. I was exhausted very easy. I noticed 5 brown spots on the skin of my penis which looked like liver spots with a diameter of about 3-4mm. That looked pretty bad. In terms of shrinkage I have to say that I sometimes noticed a difference but then again It also seemed normal sometimes. But this was not my main problem…
It was hard to get to sleep. I woke up several times a night and couldn’t sleep longer than 6 am. I managed to sleep maybe 4 hours a night. When I had a very bad night I felt horrible the next day. It was not like I felt tired the whole day after a bad night, like everybody experiences it. I felt really really sick the next day and my mental problems were the worst. I couldn’t were shirts due to my sensitivity to coldness. In summer when It was warm outside and I was sitting in a room with an open window and just a slight breeze of wind would come into the room I would freeze and I had to put a jacket on.
I tried pregnenolon and 5htp. Both made me feel worse. I tried multivitamin and magnesium with no effect.
So December of 2011 I think the withdrawal symptoms were overcome. I had visited an urologist and an endocrinologist. I visited the endocrinologist 1 day after an ejaculation where I would experience the worst symptoms. He tested my hormones. He told me everything would be in range. I even would have pretty high testosterone. The urologist found pseudomonas in my sperm and prescribed an antibiotic – but this also improved none of my symptoms. I don’t know how many times I did blood tests this and the last years. Every result was that I am a healthy man. Every expert told me this would be a psychological problem. I also visited some psycho therapists because I was open to everything to get back to a normal state. So December and January I noticed a slow improvement. But when I had an orgasm I still crashed every time and I had horrible days in front of me. I just want to describe what happened. Directly after an ejaculation I felt good and relieved. But about 1 hour later I noticed the first symptoms. I felt coldness or a cold burning in my urethra, my glans, and balls. This increased after peeing. Then I started to feel a little bit dizzy in my head. After 2 hours I felt a cold burning in my stomach. The next body parts were my legs and arms. This was also like a cold burning under the skin. Also my legs started to feel very light. Then the brain fog kicked in. I describe it as a pressure in my head. In this state my head feels like a big balloon. I am emotionless, have problems to find words or to express a thought. In this state the blurring vision is the worst. I would have a night with bad sleep and would wake up with all the symptoms I described before and full of anxciety and feeling exhausted. In this brain fog state I felt a detachment of my body. I cannot describe that. This didn’t improve the next two days but then getting better the days after. I visited an internist in January who should check if I had diabetes because I thought this could also be root of my problems. But everything was fine. He also had no idea why I was experiencing a cold feeling in my stomach and I was so sensitive to coldness.
By the way I had stopped eating healthy. Since September 2011 my body forced me to drink up to 5 or 6 liter of water or tea a day. But I also needed a lot of sugar. I ate a lot of candies and chocolate although I was never I big eater of candy and chocolate before. That’s why I thought to have diabetes. All my symptoms led me to think if I don’t have PFS than it could be MS, Diabetes, thyroid problems, prostatitis, and of course any mental disease. No doctor found anything. The magnetic Imaging resonance and blood test´s didn’t show anything. Even psycho therapists and psychiatrist didn’t say I have a disease. Their diagnosis always was depressive episode.
Anyway since I thought I had visited every expert I could thought of, I knew that I was not going to get help that way. I decided to start searching the web again, reading this forum for example. I also wanted to make more sport again and started weight lifting for example. I still made very slow improvements. I noticed when I exaggerated doing workouts my brain fog worsened. The days after an ejaculation were same as bad as ever but the days after those bad days improved.
Mid May 2012 I tried Niacin for the first time. I had read that I had to take it half an hour before an orgasm. Coldness, brain fog and light legs symptoms kicked in 1 hour after but disappeared the hours later. I could sleep better and woke up in a better state than usual. I still had the physical and mental symptoms but in a decreased way. Pretty soon the cold burning in my stomach never occurred again. I wasn’t sensitive to coldness anymore although I still could experience the cold arms and legs afterwards. This improved.
The rest I already wrote in previous posts. In July I still could have days with total brain fog. The pressure in my head was mostly in the first third of my forehead. I still could experience the blurring vision and a feeling of detachment to my body. August was way better. Less bad days… With every day in September brain fog has got better up to no brain fog at all.
I raised the dosages and the frequency of intake of Niacin, not because the effect wore off. Instead I made improvements when raising dosage and frequency. But I have to admit that I need higher dosages to experience the Niacin flush. After reading a niacin book I don’t know if you have to experience the flush to have the benefits of Niacin. Maybe my condition would have improved the same way without the flush. Who knows. But I will keep forcing the flush.
In August I started drinking licorice tea and eating licorice candy regularly. I am taking Vitamin D 2000 a day since mid of September 2012 and started taking Vitamin B12 beginning of October.
Since the beginning of October I didn’t had the tiniest sign of brain fog. I still wake up several times a night but I can get to sleep easily again and I can sleep up to 8 hours. One week ago I had a bad night of sleep. Next day I just felt tired as in the past but I didn’t feel sick like it used to be for such a long time. Some weeks ago I managed to shave may penis area and I even noticed, that the brown spots disappeared completely – don’t know what it was. I masturbate between every 10or 14 days. I still experience a little bit of the coldness in arms and legs 1 hour later. But not for a very long time. I still can feel coldness in my balls and penis now and then. Regarding shrinkage I don’t know. Sometimes it appears very small but then It looks pretty normal. I often put a warm water bag between my legs when watching TV or surfing the web. So these are all the symptoms I am still experiencing now wjich isn’t much. I don’t know what would happen if I had a higher (normal) masturbation frequency but I am still too insecure to test that.
So what I want to say is I feel fantastic mentally and the physical symptoms are not hard to take. I hope to make further improvements and I hope they are permanent.
My story is a little bit complicated. And there are a lot of variables. I don’t know what symptom was caused by what medication or which disease. But I cannot exclude anything. I still believe Finasterid is the reason for that. But it also could be the antidepressant caused a lot of these symptoms although the doctors say this is one of the best tolerable medications and I had met people who had no sides at all while on the drug and after quitting. Because I benefited from Niacin that much I could have developed a kind of Pellagra but I had always had a healthy diet. But then again when I read about the pellagra symptoms I read a lot of what many in this forum experiencing:
“Early changes include fatigue, nervousness accompanied by anxiety and depression. weeks later gastrointestinal symptoms develop including indigestion, anorexia and constipation, loss of weight, weakness and vertigo. Symptoms are aggravated by acute stress such as severe exercise, surgery or infections, inflammatory state with glossitis, atrophy of the gastric mucosa and achlorhydria, infections and diarrhea, mental changes are severe and may be psychotic proportions, perceptual changes (hallucinations, disturbances of body image) and changes in mood are common. In the past these were diagnosed as toxic psychoses, if the disorientation and confusion were predominant, or, if these were lacking schizophrenia”
But then again why did I experience the symptoms in an increased way after an ejaculation. Anyway if you can relate to any of my symptoms you can try a similar treatment like I did.
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i too feel like shit the day after i masturbate,i think most of us with pfs do,not that i ever get the urge to masturbate anymore,i only do it to see if anything has changed,if any sensativity or orgasm sensation has returned etc,i generally feel very fatigued the next day if i masturbate before bed,as for anti depressants i think exercise and good diet are far better than any med,i have tried a few lately including welbutrin and trazadone to try and give my sex drive a kick,for me they just seem to make things worse,i feel much better since i quit all that stuff to be honest,i threw a load in the bin the other day,my advice to anyone feeling like shite because of pfs is set yourself an exercise and diet regimen and stick to it,jogging,weights,even just walking for afew hours everyday,its something to focus your mind on and will make you feel much better in my opinion,my plan from now on is to try and stay as healthy as i can and just wait to see if the (pfs foundation) comes up with any answers,ive had enough for the time being of trying different meds etc…
Hi Joe!
I’m glad you feel better. Thanks for your update und keep us updated!
Your English is fine enough btw. 
Today 2 years ago this nightmare began. Due to this symbolic date I want to write another update. I am still doing really well. I have further improvements in some areas. 3 Weeks ago I already felt really good but I still get some pieces to the puzzle that was missing, that I didn’t know I was missing – because after 2 years I forgot how it was like to feel normal. I still think I am not at 100% but I don´t think that the symptoms I still experiencing are a real health issue anymore. Directly after an ejaculation I don’t have any symptoms anymore. When waking up next morning I still feel good. Now and then I have a mild brainfog for an hour but it disappears again. So I wouldn’t call it a real issue if I have concentration problems for 1 hour on 1 or 2 days a week. I definitely can live with that. Now and then I have the cold feeling in my urethra. When I am exercising too hard I still can get a brainfog. I wake up 1 or 2 times in the night but I fall asleep immediately again and I sleep at least 7 hours every day. So this is also no issue anymore. These are all the symptoms I still have and this isn’t much and I will continue my regime and think that I will get rid of these few symptoms too.
In previous posts I wrote that I didn’t know if my dick shrunk but as I wrote before this wasn’t my biggest concern. Never had a porn cock anyway 
. But it sometimes hung in its wrinkled skin and the glans appeared very small. This disappeared also. Girth and length are no problem anymore. Never had ED. This was okay for all the two years. I could always force an erection when I wanted to. My libido wasn’t good these 2 years but I think this was caused by my mental state and my overall being. Now I don’t have any libido problems. I don’t want to say that my regime is going to help everybody here. I just write down what I did to get better. I am just grateful to have found something that helped me that much.
My regime right now is
700mg Niacin on empty stomach in the morning (when considering that read the Niacin thread before)
1000 µg Vitamin D in the morning and in the evening (2000 a day…)
1000 µg B12 in the morning
Now and then licorice root tea
I am doing a little Yoga and when exercising I am working the abs instead of lifting weights.
I think for me it´s time to stop doing the things I did for the last 2 years. This whole thing controlled everything in my life for 2 years now. What a fucking waste of time. So I wanna try to live a normal life again. This also means that I don’t want to search this website every day anymore and from now on I don’t think that I will update this thread very often unless I will experience a relapse or I can say I am at 100% again. I am between 90% and 95% while taking these supplements and this is totally okay for me…
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Joe,
Are you still doing fine with niacin? I’ve ordered 100 capsules x 500mg since my sides are pretty much like yours.
Thanks.
As I wrote before I still feel very good. My Mid October state was already very good and it still improved until today…
Since I want to be honest and I dont want to conceal a bad day I have to update again. Yesterday i masturbated the second time in 7 days and I had a kind of bad day today. My mood was unstable and I felt a bit depressed and anxious but I had no brainfog or a concentration problem like I used to have on such a day. So I had a day full of watching movies on my couch so that I was totally distracted. On such a day I need to calm down and try to avoid any stressful situation or thoughts… Physical symptoms were cold, light leggs, little bit of a coldness in my urethra and balls.
This bad day wasnt as bad as in my bad times - but this showed me that I am not where I hoped to be. It also shows that my regime helps me to get into a pretty good shape as long as I dont exaggerate masturbating what means more than once a week. Maybe this will improve in time but for now it´s still not possible to have normal sex life.
Sorry to hear that, Joe… I was hoping niacin could bring me a little relief. I have to say that I started taking a few vitamins (vitamin D, Tribulus and L-arginine). They brought me to a state where I no longer “crash” after an ejaculation, although I’m not completely free from the depression and brain fog. I have bought vitamin B3 as well but didn’t take them, since they’re the non flushing type.
My face became oiler and my hair fell more than it was falling before, but still not pre fin.
Hey Gmourra,
Thank you for your post and I am glad you don’t crash anymore. Actually there´s no need to feel sorry for me. I am still doing pretty good compared to other Propecia/finasterid victims. I wouldn’t call it crashes anymore it´s more like I have one or two bad days afterwards. It seems to be like a hormonal imbalance or my hormonal system gets out of control. But after two days my body seems to regenerate. In my case it´s definitely not something like a brain damage or a damaged organ because I am able to get a mental and physical prefin state. No brainfog, no ED no shrinking, no depression or anxiety but as soon as I have an orgasm my body seems to react in a strange way. Recently I noticed a new symptom I hadn’t noticed before – maybe due to the high number of symptoms I had before. My legs begin to feel very weak some hours after an ejaculation. At the end of the day my legs feel like I would have been jogging this day or I would have walked a lot through the day although I had a quiet day. Since I do a lot of work and I am as fit as I have ever been this does not make any sense…
The good thing is I have the control over my state. As long as I abstain I am close to 100% - mentally and physically. I have to admit this sucks a lot when I compare it to a healthy person and I was hoping to recover 100 % after I was seeing so many improvements. And this also means I cannot have a normal sexual relationship and I have to be single for some time. But I know where I have been even some months ago and I read the PFS horror stories so I am grateful about where I am now…
Maybe I am going to give Tribulus and L-arginine a try…
Just a quick update. I had hope to be on a way to complete recovery but I had to admit that I still have this problem. As long as I abstain I feel pretty normal. I would say most of the time I feel like pre Fin although if I am very stressed I can get anxiety. But my good state crashes after an orgasm. With the help of the supplements I took I managed to get this good state and it also helped the crashes to be not too heavy but I still crash… So I was looking for a new approach. After reading gratefuls member story and his book recommendations I thought I would give this try. So I have read “the ultramind solution” and “the primal blueprint”. I´m on the 6 week ultramind program and try to abstain for the whole time. Since I don’t think I will make further progress with my regime I will get a little easy with the Niacin. I took 700mg almost every day. I think every two days will be enough and I try to get down to a 500 mg dose…
Hi Joe,
your story is very interesting. Thanks for your update and keep them coming. I was looking into the Primal Blueprint, too, not only for PFS reasons. Unfortunately, it’s hard to comply to it with my work schedule.
Hi Northern Star,
The primal Blueprint is also a little too tough for me and the Ultramind Solution is a little more appealing. But both books are similar. As far as I understand it TPB is more about fitness and TUS is more about getting rid of depression and mental problems. In TUS it is allowed to eat rice and corn, what makes it a little easier although the transition from a normal healthy diet to a gluten, sugar, lactose free diet isn´t really easy. TUS recommends eating a lot of legumes but TPB does not allow it at all. TUS is a book written by a doctor and you will learn a lot about cells and cell function and under which circumstance you should take a certain supplement. So this is very interesting because I was popping supplement pills and I didn’t know why it could help. There is also a chapter about balancing the hormones what seems to be my main problem. So if you haven’t read it I highly recommend it. I am going to try to adapt the fitness tips of TPB and maybe in the future I will try to live the Primal Blueprint way for 30 days but for now I try the ultramind Solution and I am curious to see if this makes any difference… I will update.
So here is another update. In the middle of November I noticed that my regime wouldn’t get me any further so I wanted to try something different. Since my endocrine system crashed every time after an ejaculation it seemed to be a good idea to abstain totally from it. And I wanted to live “the ultramind solution” way for 90 days and I already completed that. I managed to make further improvements in that period but I don’t believe that this has something to do with a gluten and lactose free sugar nutrition. I think what helps is the fact that you have to avoid a lot of unhealthy processed food due to the restrictions of this diets. So have to eat a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables, nuts, legumes, fish and oils high in Omega 3 fats… Maybe a low carb diet helps also but I don’t think that potatoes or rice are evil…
So how I feel right now is like Pre-fin most of the time – maybe even better, because I do some self-help or self-improvement things so that on my good days I feel even better – although do I still really know how I felt before? But I still get little pieces of the puzzles and I still have these moments where I think: “yeah this is what it felt like then…” I still can get bad days but they are not horrible anymore. These bad days are only bad days which are easily bearable. When I notice a depressive or anxiety it is not nearly as bad as it had been.
After a month into this diet and being abstinent I felt a slow but constant improvement. But my bad days could still get very bad. On these days I really doubted that this would work. So I thought about what else I could do. One reaction to that was I should live even stricter to the rules of the ultramind solution.
One thing was to do steam baths every night – for detoxification reasons and for sleep improvement and my sleep improved tremendously. Before that I woke up 3-4 times a night. When doing it I only wake up once a night. I also go to bed the same time and get up the same time every night. Once in a while I can sleep till the next morning without waking up.
The same time I started taking apple cider vinegar. Maybe this helps too for improving sleep. Further information regarding my sleeping ritual you will find here:
propeciahelp.com/forum/viewt … f=6&t=7713
Until then I had taken one of the best multivitamin available in Germany (eunova) but I felt nothing when taking it. Since I read that Germany isn’t the best source for high quality multivitamin I searched for foreign products and found this one:
sourcenaturals.com/products/GP2335/
When taking this product I didn’t suffer from brainfog when I did my workouts anymore. After a 30 min workout I was pretty done and I felt this pressure in my forehead. This didn’t occur anymore.
Another thing that helped me a lot was acupressure.
holisticonline.com/remedies/depr … essure.htm
Since this helped I ordered an acupressure mat which seems to work also.
Last thing I tried is Maca root which tastes awful. I benefit from that too. I often have strong long lasting morning erections.
Although I lived totally abstinent I tried to get an erection at least once a day - not to lose the ability to have one.
So as I said to achieve this progress I had to be totally abstinent, what is a pretty high price and I don’t know if my progress reverses when my abstinence stops. It is also not a good sign, that it was quiet easy to stay abstinent, but on the other hand I was very sick of what happened after an ejaculation. But I am getting better and better with every week and I want to keep the momentum going, so I don’t know yet, when I am going to be sexually active again…
So now I stopped living 100% the ultramind solution way but I will keep a lot of concepts of it. I will not be 100% strict in avoiding gluten, dairy and sugar anymore but I will try to eat as little as possible of it. I will focus on eating super healthy foods. So things like dark chocolate, cheese and whey protein will be okay…
So here is a little supplement list of what I take on a daily basis:
Morning: 1 tspoon of coconut oil, 1 spoon of flax seed oil, Vitamin D 2500 IU, 1 Omega 3 softgel, Vitamin B12 1200 IU, Magnesium pill, multivitamin pill, dark chocolate, a cup of green tea
Evening: 1 whey protein shake, 1 tspoon maca extract, 1 softgel cod liver oil, 1 spoon colza oil, 2 tablespoons of apple cidre vinegar, multivitamin.
Besides that I eat a lot of nuts, seeds, salmon, organic vegetables and fruits on a daily basis. I drink a lot of tea and vegetable juice. I take 500mg of Niacin every third day.
Some of those things I take to regulate my endocrine system, some are anti-fungal/bacterial infections, some things I take to boost the immune system. This diet plus some work out, Yoga, acupressure, steam baths and abstinence seem to help me a lot.
Hello- Glad to hear you are doing better!
It was interesting for me to read about your experience with brain fog and working out. I have the same problem - i really want to start working out again but everytime i try to do cardio i get bad brain fog that lasts for a day or two after. Do you really think that supplement you mentioned helped? Did your brain fog also linger after working out?