This 200 mg proviron is a theory for people who are on T shots or something, like those who don’t produce their own Testosterone. Guys with normal Testosterone should not do this 200 mg protocol. That T suppression will be permanent. I wonder about people taking low doses of proviron. Do they all end up feeling bad afterwards?
I think you mean that T suppression could be permanent. On top of that, I still think it would be highly unlikely unless your HPTA is just that delicate.
IMO doing just about any dose of Proviron for extended periods is very likely to suppress T production in PFS guys. But to say it will shut everyone down permanently just isn’t true. The question is whether someone wants to try to recover naturally like Pal or needs a SERM for “PCT.”
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Unfortunately, there’s never a 100% guarantee you’ll recover. It’s a calculated risk that should depend on how bad off you are now and/or how long. There’s always a chance you could be unlucky, so proceed with due caution.
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Proviron is one of the “safest” AAS so far I’ve read.
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Is 450ng/dl of total T is good enough to use low dose (12 then 25mg a day) proviron without no suppression? I have 22.55 pg/ml Free T and 800 pg/ml DHT.
My Testosterone is high and i´m using 25mg/day, but after 9 days I realise that the good effects fades away. To balance, i´m 6 days 25mg/day Proviron and 4 days tribulus. May be I change this. I´m feeling the major effects on the hard erection and the skin it´s amazing, felling very happy for this. I have 100% recovored sleep and testosterone, so I don´t know if this will work for everybody at the first stage of PFS.
For me 25mg does not shutdown my axis. We are all in the same boat here, and there is no guarantee what could happends with each person. If you are insecure about it, don´t use it. Talk to your Doctor first. There is a cream called Andractim, it´s pure DHT.
We are at internet and we don´t know what is true or fake unfortunately.
Keep in mind that the main subject of this topic could be a fake protocol to
induce Guinea pig to try something. There are no autentication on this protocol and veracity.
It´s risk to use 200mg/day Proviron. You will drop your estradiol and could be on a big depression and with join and bones problems. I don´t see any point to be on that risk. I think if you are on testo injection is a completly diferent history.
Did you try this protocol yet ?
The amount of all hormones in your body does not mean nothing for PFS, As long you are young and health before propecia.
Numbers do not mean anything for us.
I have high testosterone and all others hormones are great, inside the range. Guess What´s my symptom? lower libido.
Most of us loose so many time with this numbers and believing that they can calculate the hormones and get recovery. We have to abstract this idea.
The ideia to try Proviron is just try something to sensitize our androgen receptors. try to unregulate and regulate again.
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What are you talking about? According to you, no woman should ever take birth control. She’ll be suppressed forever. No man should ever apply a testosterone patch, he’ll be shut down forever. No person should ever take an herb that has hormonal effects, something will be suppressed for the rest of his life. You are sitting here telling people what to do while having absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
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I don’t know how much Proviron shuts down endogenous T production in practice. It might not much at all or it might significantly. I do know that people come on and off TRT (I.e., getting T completely shut down) all the time without negative consequence. When I took TRT for several years I actually stopped it completely without taper 3 times and my T was back to normal levels again within a few weeks by itself without any “PCT” or anything else. I didn’t even feel any different while shut down, to be honest. The fear mongering in this thread by people who don’t know what they are talking about is way out of hand. It seems like people are scared shitless of DHT but happy to pop any herb or off-label pharmaceutical they read about on the internet all day long.
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There isn’t a risk that the 7 weeks won’t be fun — we’re outright advised to expect that. Are you saying that you think Proviron causes reduced E after cessation? It doesn’t.
As far as Proviron lowering estrogen too much, I’ve been at 150mg+ for about 5 weeks now (50-100mg two weeks prior to that), and I haven’t noticed it lowering estrogen very much, if at all. Yes, I’m on a low dose of TRT which normally keeps my estradiol right around 25 (ref.range: 8-42). I know from past experience with AI use and bloodwork that I start feeling low E symptoms when it gets to around 18 or lower. So if 150-200mg still hasn’t brought me down that far, it makes me wonder where all of this “Proviron crashes your estrogen” hysteria came from. The only mechanism I see this happening through is by the possible HPTA suppression lowering testosterone in non-TRT/cycle using guys.
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I did testosterone cycles for Bodybulding in 2002 to 2004. I used a lot stuff and get some experience with inject hormones and its side effects. I used tamoxifen and clomid and hcg after my cycles. My testosterone always return to normal, but took more then 1 month.
Proviron does not supress E after cessation. I know.
My experience with 25mg Proviron has being very fun at this moment. I´m feeling under arm odor , wich is great! My hair start to be weak, wich is great, the skin and gland of my penis is colorfull and the penis is much more harder, the temperature of my penis is a lot hotter, witch is a great surprise to me. I ´m much more agressive. This is very very cool effects. I really feeling the effect of just 25mg of Proviron.
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I think you might be talking in general there but Andractim is not very safe for all PFS patients apparently.
Read the original post of thread. The whole point here is to go through the getting worse initially in order to be better. The whole point was to desensitize to DHT. If you missed that then the whole thing will seem backwards to you.
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I think you should read the original post of thread and also understand that Proviron is simply DHT, nothing like an AI, Propecia, or other drug you seem to want to compare to. I am not doing it now because I’m doing Ozephs diet thing for 6 months but I also am not telling people here what to do (Unlike the fear mongers). I’m just trying to help clear up the unbelievable preponderance of false information. I can totally see this success story getting discarded because community FUDed itself out of its benefits. Here you have the first interesting success story in ages and a bunch of teenagers armed with Wikipedia come in and FUD the hell out of it 
. Better to shut up and just take herbs. One day that will start working, we just have to keep trying a couple more decades.
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I’m well aware of the original post, I’m the one who put the staff notice on it. I’ve read every post in this thread. The original post at least warns that he felt terrible while using high doses of proviron. The post I quoted above claimed andractim was “very safe”. This is a support forum where many members are suffering severe depressive symptoms as a result of PFS; some are suicidal. To claim something is very safe, without any recognition that it has the potential to make somebody with PFS feel worse, even at much lower doses than 200 mg per day, is potentially dangerous given the fragile states of many patients here. Therefore it needed to be made clear that it isn’t “very safe”.
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Please don’t ever lock this thread no matter what.
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I am a sufferer of 16 years. Nothing has helped so far. Some things such as Tamoxifen made me worse to date. Given those negative experiences in the past I am reluctant but still interested in taking things like Proviron. Perhaps Andractim (DHT gel) is another choice. Has anyone tried Andractim for a longer period of time?
Didn´t you recovery any sides from PFS after this 16 years?
I used Andractim for a couple of months in the past. I think we need to give another chance for this drugs after all this years.