Creating the best possible scenario for recovery

Therapeutic Efforts Supplements & Lifestyle
#1

Hi guys I am new to this forum but have been experiece side effects from ar inhibitors for some time now!

I want to create a lifestyle that is as ideal as from current understanding we think it can be. To foster the environment for the body to self heal and thrive from then on!

There is a good chance that I may be having cranial surgery to correct a genetic condition that I suffer from. I was thinking of quitting smoking if surgery is decided and generally make some permanent changes to my lifestyle for the good of my health. I thought this would be a good opportunity.

Anyway this is all unfinalised and very rough but this is where im thinking!!

quit smoking cold turkey, no nicitine aids
cut out unnatural products completly toothpaste everything
cut out sugar
keep alcohol to 5 units a week
regular moderate exercise
Amino acid supplementation via shakes with semi skimmed goats milk
lots of herbal teas - ginko green tea etc
vitamin supplementation - updating
hcg - updating
armidex - updating

I basically want to avoid putting hormones into my body altogether and stimulate as much test as possible.

Not all the stuff can be taken untill I know more about surgery etc etc but this is the future plan ish

I will up the exercise to occassional vigorous exercise when I have warmed in a got the docs ok do intense short workout to see about raising hgh. Ill get back into weigh training when I am allowed too.

Any input would be appreciated?

#2

Contact a PFS doctor, have your bloodwork done. I wouldnt self medicate too much without talking with a doctor who is familiar with PFS. Try to keep your mind off it best you can. Yes, stop smoking and lead as healthy a lifestyle as you can.

gl

#3

I am going to speak to my gp about a prescription for wellbutrin.

I’ll let you know how it goes!

#4

Dunno about cold turkey, might be better to taper nicotine, it must be your personal choice. Smoking in itself can cause ED so good choice to quit.

I did the same on toothpaste, now I only use an aloe based organic. What’s really surprising to me is that it works better, I have whiter teeth, and my breath smells better longer. When it ran out I tried a couple normal ones again and couldn’t believe how chemical they tasted, I had a “yuck” feeling for hours. There is a lot of research out stating that fluoride is not beneficial, actually the opposite, yet we dose ourselves with it generally at least 2 times a day in modern toothpaste.

Alcohol taxes the liver. Point. Unless you want to stress the liver you shouldn’t drink at all. Good idea with protein + aminos in goats milk. Herbal teas are not green tea. Tea is tea and all other herbs are herbal. Caffeine is a stimulant and is not likely to produce beneficial results especially if there is an adrenal problem. I think you can get all the vitamins you need from food, properly prepared. For example, instead of taking calcium eat a bone broth vegetable and meat soup. It’s good for digestion and provides a mix of everything you need. Eating fruits and vegetables will provide all vitamins. Taking them in pill form gives the body a quick and in my view unnecessary overload.

Looks like your starting down the right path

#5

Cheers for the reply.

I heard the same about fluoride. Its in most peoples water too cos our goverments seem to think its a good idea.

I can’t completly quit alcohol but the smoking has got to go.

Hopefully wellbutrin may help my depression smoking and give me a sex drive. wouldn’t that be nice

#6

I’m really glad I don’t smoke. I am able to really cut the alcohol, even as a student too I think.

Any luck with doctors Monty?

#7

I haven’t i am afraid. Got some even bigger shit to worry about until I can bother my gp with my neuroendocrinological woes.

However, if I don’t need to have surgery in the near future I will be on the wellbutrin band wagon inside of a month, in the meantime I may still be able to get a prescription anyway, depends on what my neurosurgeon says. I can kind of get anything I want cosI recently discovered I have a genetic problem and few know very much about it so I can kind of make a case for getting a prescription for many drugs in the interest of my well being if I put a good case forward.

Its an unusual position to be in I can tell you but seen as it appears no one knows everything I figure I may as well get professional monitoring of my own personal experimentation to make up where my genes left off. It is the 21st century after all.

Ill keep you posted.

Ps I am starting to think that fin/dut may have effected me quite severely because I had this pre existing condition and I am thinking that those that are most effective by dht inhibiton may have some pre existing neuro biological susceptabitly albeit unlikely to be the same as mine.

#8

I swear to god quite a lot of guys on here had pre existing such and such… I am baffled as to why I am getting worse when I had nothing beforehand.

Will you use your special case to get Wellbutrin, as it is hard to get here as an anti depressant, if not impossible?

#9

I had nothing beforehand and havnt really improved that much since I crashed either. Thank God we dont have to contend with Fin plus pre-existing this or that as alot here are facing.

By the way, keep in mind that Wellbutrin although certainly alot better than an SSRI has also been shown to cause sexual dysfuntion in some cases. People here have taken it with some success I know but it doesnt come without any risk. I have been taking deplin along with high dose vit d3 which has made me feel a bit better mood wise last few days but too early to tell if it will make a difference long term.

gl

#10

Ill try an get Zyban prescribed off label for depression and/or sexual dysfunction. Wouldn’t that work or would it be much more expensive if it’s in the guise of a smoking cessation drug? I still pay for my meds cos I am not on welfare or anything so money is a factor I have to take into consideration.

By the way I didn’t know I had anything wrong with me prior to taking fin. I am sure a lot of people have something small wrong with them if they were to scrutinise themselves carefully enough. 20 years down the line people will be screened for genetic/hormonal propensities or lack of and meds will become bespoke to the individual as they should be. Also nothing’ll get a man to scrutinise himself more than having his sexual function shut down on him for example there was always gonna be a fair percentage who found out shit about themselves

#11

Yeah ill keep that in mind but I am prepared to take the risk. I would rather screw myself up more on my search than sit back an quietly endure without ever trying to get better or in fact I suppose get the best out of myself.

Im also considering supplementing with d3

#12

I recently been diagnosed with sagittal synostosis and not too long ago attention defecit dissorder. The ADD explained a lot of things.

Anyway…

When I used to do coke I used to get really really horny and my focus (to begin with) was much improved. Apparantly people with ADD suffer low dopamine levels. Dopamine counteracts prolactin i believe. When I took dutasteride or fin I would get really really depressed and my sexual function went down massively though it used to slowly come back after discontinuation.

so dopamine makes you happy and keeps prolactin in check an high prolactin is usually seen in men with low libido. hhmmmmmm

so I am thinking down the lines of my aforementioned healthy lifesyle plan incorporating aminos good diet anabolic and cardiovascular exercise and these

SSRI namely wellbutrin/zyban - possibly/likely 150mgs daily
arimidex 1/4 daily
possibly hcg

any thought?

#13

Where are you going to source this stuff? I have a few good sites for the UK if you need them Monty.

#14

Cheers i have some sources.

If i get stuck ill get back to you though!

peace out

ps r u dealing with this sit at 19 years old? No good time to experience this but that sucks

#15

What do you all think of this…

Khat (Catha edulis) up-regulates testosterone and decreases prolactin and cortisol levels in the baboon
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Jason M. Mwendaa, Corresponding Author Contact Information, Roselida A. Owuora, b, Cleophas M. Kyamaa, Emmanuel O. Wangoa, b, Milton M’Arimia and Daudi K. Langata, c

aInstitute of Primate Research, P.O. Box 24481, Karen, Nairobi, Kenya

bDepartment of Animal Physiology, University of Nairobi, P.O. Box 30197, Nairobi, Kenya

cDepartment of Anatomy and Cell Biology, University of Kansas Medical Center, 3901 Rainbow Boulevard, Kansas City, KS 66160-7400, USA
Received 15 March 2005;
revised 5 August 2005;
accepted 16 August 2005.
Available online 29 September 2005.

Abstract

The potential effect of Khat (Catha edulis, Celastraceae) on fertility in humans has not been elucidated. In this study, we used the olive baboon (Papio anubis, Cercopithecidae) to determine the effects of oral administration of khat on circulating hormones. In order to establish baseline hormonal levels, five male baboons were bled once a week for 1 month. The same baboons were then fed with crude khat juice extract once a week over a period of 2 months, and the effects on serum levels of cortisol, testosterone and prolactin determined using enzyme immunoassay (EIA) and radioimmunoassay (RIA). Subsequently, sampling was repeated for a further 1 month to determine the residual effect of khat. The results showed that khat administration causes a significant increase in the mean levels of testosterone while prolactin and cortisol levels were reduced. These effects were also evident 1 month post treatment and indicate khat may exert a transient effect on male fertility by interfering with the hormonal profiles.

#16

At 19 yes, and I just keep getting worse really. Are you in London by any chance? could you email me some ‘sources’?

#17

Regarding our earlier exchange in this thread, fluoride causes people to be dumb. The Nazis outlined a plan to use it to control undesirable populations to keep them docile. The US government picked up on this which is why there’s more fluoride in the waters supply of poor areas than anywhere else in the US.

Dude, I cannot speak to sagittal synostosis, but ADD diagnoses are usually bullshit. The US has had an explosion of ADD diagnoses including multiple members of my family. It’s an excuse to prescribe amphetamines (which act just like cocaine) instead of addressing the real problem which is diet. Very few people are “ADD” and most symptoms can be controlled by diet, primarily eliminating all of the chemical shit especially high-fructose corn syrup and sugar. I was diagnosed when I was younger, as was my brother, mother, multiple cousins, uncle, and grandfather (these are just the ones I know of). I’ve seen some of them medicated and seen results when they changed their diets. Changing the diet and exercising is definitely more beneficial than any meds.

There has been an explosion of ADD behavior because food production has continued to become industrialized for profit. Animals are not fed properly (such as chickens only being fed antibiotics, lysene, and corn syrup) and the vegetables are all becoming genetically modified to grow quicker, but during the growing process they don’t acquire the nutrients they need, just size.

If you can get on and stay on a paleo diet with minimal caffeine or cigarettes you need to survive while you’re weening off these you’ll be much better than any ADD treatment a doctor could give you. ADD explains a lot of things in everyones life because we aren’t designed for the activities we’re forcing our bodies through. However don’t take your inability to fit into an education system designed to create factory workers and a poor diet and turn it into ADD unless there is no other option in life.

Please keep us updated on the surgery. How old are you? Do you feel it would really be beneficial to proceed with it at this moment? I can tell you that after a trip to the dentist I’m fucked for a month, it’s such a stress event I cannot deal with it. I cannot imagine dealing with surgery in this state.

#18

No afraid not! Hampshire!

Well I can’t remember the name of one of the net pharmacies I use, its on an email but the other is inhouse pharmacy. Some users I know trust them and I have had ED drugs off of them that work.

pm me your email and ill check my email and send you the other one I use that seems to be legit. Do you own research though and I still wouldn’t recommend getting ssris and the like off of the net.

#19

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The sagittal was confirmed today. Got results from a ct scan. Lots of surgical options flying around. I have to have a small hole drilled into my head first and be put asleep for 24 to 48 hrs to assess intracranial pressure which isn’t happening for a couple of months now so fuck it, back to exerimenting on myself.

Yeah I heard the same stuff re flouride. Bastards!! Only problem is, bottled water is shit also, full of anearobic pathogens.

I hear what you are saying about ADD. I know nothing anymore, dutasteride made me so anxious and depressed that for the time I was taking it my behviour, looking back was so extreme that I will forever identify myself with it no matter how I live from this point on. The whole damn experience could well have been stress induced. The only reason I know for a fact 5ar inhibitors did a job on me sexually is because of the speed and severity of side effects resulting from finasteride consumption. I had physical sides within 24 hrs of first taking fin and I didn’t even know of their possible existence beforehand ruling out the possibility of psychosomatic response.

Thanks i’ll look into paleo diet.

#20

A message for Joe91.

You were right I couldn’t get wellbutrin here even though its exactly the same drug Zyban its not in that special uk drug book for the purposes it is used for elsewhere so it can’t be prescribed. Ridiculous!!!

I may just order the stuff off the net. The G.P I recently was refered to was more than shit, I knew more about endocrinology than she did and she admitted such and then went on to tell me that minoxidil has the same side effects as finasteride. I mean what the fuck. Different drug totally different mechanism of action and totally different side effects not even the same application but apparantly has the same side effects. I was pretty pissed after the appointment I gotta say, they phoned me as well cos of the cranio they are making appointments for me an asking me to turn up when there is practically no point…

Sorry I am generally pretty pissed of with the world at the moment