Crash from Laser treatment

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#1

Guys, below a story of a guy I recieved by mail from The foundation. Very wierd story.

"I was beginning to feel somewhat better over 8 months. However, last week I received laser treatment (LLLT laser) on my jaw area for my TmJ pain. Since then I have had the worst crash thus far. I am basically worse than day 1 of pfs. Has anyone else had this happen from laser therapy?

The wild thing is that it crashed my hormones. I tested on 9/7/2024 and my T was at 580 and my estrogen was at 28. Fast fire red d to 9/24/2024 and my T is 289 and Estrogen is 5.5. Any feedback would be helpful as I am basically bed ridden and do not know what to do. Thank you.”

Note: used topical finasteride from Hims

#2

What are your symptoms? Hormonal fluctuations are not predictable throughout the day, there may be deviations and it is not easy to make reliable analyzes even if your values do not seem very low. Perhaps if you explain the severity of the symptoms you could investigate the cause.

#3

It’s not my story. I recieved this story by mail from The Foundation

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#4

I’ve been considering laser hair removal, I pray this does not apply to that but that is horrifying to hear. I don’t really crash from anything anymore as long as I stay away from my known worst triggers but I notice if my EMF exposure is too high I do get worse though temporarily. I had EMF sensitivity long before this crap happened so I don’t entirely expect that to not happen.

#5

I’ve been doing laser hair removal for more than a year now, did around twice or three times since PFS and personally it didn’t have any effect on anything that’s related to PFS.

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#6

Oh thank god, that would have been a nightmare then because I’d rather die than go back to day 1 of this.

#7

I had a quick look at the Wikipedia page for LLLT and it shows that this sort of therapy has been kicking around for 100 years without strong evidence that it does much. So, anyone considering doing this probably ought to look at who’s offering the treatment, and whether there’s proof that has emerged from sources that can be trusted over 100 years, that it’s worth doing.

With that in mind, I wonder if a treatment that isn’t known for doing much good, is one that we can expect to do much full stop. I wonder if there’s a coincidental relationship between the laser and the crash, rather than a casual one.

Either way, it doesn’t seem like we have enough evidence to draw conclusions. I think I’ve read about people on here doing something similar as an alternate hairloss treatment, but again, if it worked, by now it would have been marketed and embraced by a number of successful companies.

For those who are worried, I suggest you’re unlikely to encounter LLLT without paying for it yourself and there seems little reason to do so.

As for the email, of course, much sympathy to the person who wrote it and I hope this setback precedes another recovery, but it’s difficult for us to really talk about with so little to go on.

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#8

i once made a post asking if LLLT was safe or not for us

i came to the conclusion that it was dangerous but there were others that disagreed

now we can all agree to stay away from it

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#9

Wisest move