"Crash" after masturbation/ejaculation

[ghg]

So, today I noticed the same thing that I did on monday. Monday was the last time I jacked off before today. So, the thing is, that my body temperature suddenly dropped within few hours of jacking off, and I started to feel tired and a little brainfogged. I could literally feel the cold and when I measured my body temp it was around 35.5 C (95.9 F). Nowadays my body temp isn’t very high even in “normal” state, but it’s still like 36 C (96.8 F). On fin my body temp was low all the time… let’s see if I’ll experience this phenomenom on days I when I don’t jack off.

[donkeyboy]

I can completely relate. If I force masturbation when I am not horny whatsoever (which is 99% of the time) and any sort of pleasure for masturbating is nonexistent, I can feel the brain fog roll in shortly after. Those days and one or two days afterwards are generally the worst days I can have. However, I find that the longer I wait between masturbating (like a week or more), and when I actually choose to do it when I have some notion of being horny (as long as it is semi-pleasurable) it doesn’t affect me as much. I actually had a night about a month back where I honestly felt pretty damn good while masturbating. Something compelled me to do it, and I kind of… knew it was a fitting moment. The day after, I think it was actually the best I’ve felt in awhile. Go figure. I wish the pattern was more clear. I wish I could pick up on obvious causes of my “off days”.

[correiovip]

Same here.

[ghg]

Now I am a bit panicked, because I have hardly been able to get my dick up for the past week or so. There’s just no sensation, I can’t get it properly hard even by stimulating and other times it feels like rubber or dead skin just hanging there. I hope this is a passing stage, I have had a lot of work lately and I’ve been on a kinda strict candida diet.

[martinM]

ghg, what do you mean by a strict anti-candida diet. There are different opinions on what the best diet is for this. Are you referring to a no-carb diet? If so, perhaps your situation is exacerbated due to lack of carbs.

[molybedenu]

About 3 months ago, my brain fog was MUCH WORSE immediately after ejaculation. These days, the fog seems like it’s always there.

[ghg]

@martinM

ghg, what do you mean by a strict anti-candida diet. There are different opinions on what the best diet is for this. Are you referring to a no-carb diet? If so, perhaps your situation is exacerbated due to lack of carbs.

Not no-carb, but very low carb. No dairy, no caffeine, no wheat of any kind, no fruit. Basically meat, veggies, olive oil, coconut oil, some seeds and nuts, etc. I do have toenail fungus and many candida-like symptoms but it could be that fin has caused many of them… Its hard having this many different health problems

[bryce54]

@martinM

ghg, what do you mean by a strict anti-candida diet. There are different opinions on what the best diet is for this. Are you referring to a no-carb diet? If so, perhaps your situation is exacerbated due to lack of carbs.

Have you seen your or others situations become better with “daily recommended” or high amounts of carbs?

regarding this thread… I’ve seen someone else post saying that avoiding masturbation for upwards of 2 weeks left him with an increase in sensitivity and ability to get an erection.

[bryce54]

Just read this on reddit and it reminded me of this thread… sounds like it could have some similarities…

I am a guy with a rare sexual illness. Its so life-ruining that one sufferer of it decided to be castrated to seek relief and start progressing with his life AMAA
15 years ago my life was turned upside-down. It was Christmas 1997. I’d just slept for 17 hours straight and when I woke up I still felt like I’d been hit by a truck. My sinuses were blocked, my eyes felt like they were bulging out their sockets, my memory was lagging, I had a sore throat and diarrhoea. I realised I was having difficulty thinking. All I wanted to do was close my eyes and sleep. I thought it was bad flu or some other virus. Doctors couldn’t diagnose me as my lab tests were all ok. I was a hard-working and I suppose high-achieving guy. I don’t think I’d taken a sick day in my life up to that point but I ended up having to have 4 weeks off work. And this was just the beginning
Over time , I came to realise that the symptoms appeared whenever I ejaculated (sex, masturbation or nocturnal emissions). It turned out that Christmas 15 years ago was my introduction to Post-orgasmic Illness Syndrome, a rare and totally life-altering disorder.
POIS causes severe tiredness, cognition problems, mood problems, muscle aches and feelings of fever to name just a few symptoms. In the beginning for me it would last about a month from a single ejaculation. Typically it lasts 5-14 days. Abstinence from sex/masturbation gives the only relief but that’s difficult to maintain Some men find they are never symptom-free as even if they abstain from sex or masturbation they get a nocturnal emission in their sleep before their symptoms can subside. This is a life-ruining illness affecting work and relationships. When I am symptomatic I often avoid meeting friends so they don’t see the usual sociable part of me disappear into this quiet,spaced out anti social person who has nothing to contribute to the conversation. [BRAINFOG?] In the gaps between my symptoms, I’m a normal, intelligent, motivated and genuinely happy guy. I’ve met some great girls in my life and even started relationships with some but I wasn’t able to sustain them . I’m nearly 40 now. I’d Like to settle and have kids but being more than friends with a girl affects my health and life too much. At least a couple of sufferers have openly contemplated suicide, I can definitely see how it can drive people to this. Sufferers typically feel they can’t talk about their condition and it consumes them with hopelessness and a sense of isolation. It can easily make one depressed.
One guy, an educated professional with an advanced degree (which he got before his POIS started) took the drastic measure of castration! He was so disabled by POIS that he had his testicles and seminal vesicles removed and his ejaculatory ducts cauterised. It took him years to find doctors willing to do the procedure and had to travel to multiple countries to complete it. He succeeded in becoming POIS free and with the help of testosterone replacement therapy and other medications has been able to resume his life. The drastic action he took illustrates just how bad POIS can be.
I did countless hours of research trying to figure out what was wrong with me. Doctors weren’t able to help. After a few years, I came across an online forum started by people who had what I had. It was amazing to find out I wasn’t the only one going through this.
We still don’t know what causes POIS. A doctor in the Netherlands first described Post-Orgasmic Illness Syndrome in 2002. One theory is that its an auto-immune reaction to our own semen - a sort of allergic reaction. Little research has been done though.
Despite the suffocating straitjacket of this illness there is some amazing positivity on our forums. We’ve managed to get POIS listed in the most respected rare disease databases - The National Institutes of Health in the USA and Orphanet in Europe and have done much to raise the profile of POIS. The man who underwent the castration was profiled in a tv documentary on The Learning Channel. Another guy is to be the subject of a medical documentary, to be aired on ABC, Australia in the next month.
What we really need is a dedicated medical research programme. Through the National Organisation for Rare Diseases (NORD) we are trying to raise enough money for a research grant for our condition. So far, all the money donated has been from POIS sufferers. We have collected around $6,000 from our personal donations, and a further $17,000 in pledges. The minimum amount required for the research grant is $33,500. All of those pledges will be converted into donations once the combined total reaches that magic $33,500. We have a week left to raise the full $33500 and get a grant this year , otherwise we’ll have to wait until 2013.
One of our forum members noticed there have been some incredible life-transforming stories of people using reddit to fundraise. That is the biggest reason I’m here. However, we also need to raise awareness of POIS and reach out to others who must be suffering in silence. So I’m also here to answer your questions and inform about the existence of POIS. By reading this and mentioning POIS to others you are helping. If you feel you can also help us by making a small donation, that would be amazing. The place to do it is the National Organisation of Rare Disorders website here:
rarediseases.org/about/support/research-donations/fg_base_view_p3 (Please select ‘Post-Orgasmic Illness Syndrome’ from the drop-down list under “research fund”)
You can read more about the NORD grant program here: rarediseases.org/medical-professionals/research-grants/policy
Visit our forums are here: poiscenter.com/forums/index.php
To help give more insight into the impact of POIS, here are some quotes from some of our members (these are taken from actual forum posts)
my professional life is getting wasted (Currently unemployed, I actually fear employment now), my marital life is getting wasted (No wife, not even a possible prospect), my social life is getting wasted and even my Dog has been starting to stare at me in weird manners lately…I feel he’s trying to tell me sometimes…: WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOU MASTER?
I look at it this way. POIS took far too many years of my life. I made no progress for about 10 years, following the completion of a graduate degree. Anything I achieved before that was based on near total abstinence. That’s really difficult to maintain in college and shows the kind of iron willpower I had. Then I fell off the wagon and I’ve been in a relationship for many years which has made abstinence impossible (and it was never terribly desirable anyway ). In that time my brother who doesn’t have POIS and started out with about equal intelligence based on IQ tests at the start of puberty (we both scored over 150) learned 3 languages and got 2 masters degrees. It’s not that POIS has made me stupid but it’s taken away the point of trying to learn new things as I’ve known that 1) I would forget the material quickly 2) I’m too tired to apply most of it. So I have a constant reminder of the effects of POIS on my life. When you put a lost decade into perspective, it’s difficult to not feel huge disappointment that my life stalled for so long. When you leave college you don’t believe that the best and most productive years of your life will be written off but that’s how it’s worked out. Anyway, can’t dwell. Onwards we march
I’ve managed to get myself a job, starting next week, and I’m really worried that either; - I won’t be able to perform, and that I’ll start to fail at the job - I set my sights too low when I applied, and that I’ll feel completely unfulfilled. I program in C++ for some of my uni work, I can just about read and make sense of it and write some basic programs, whilst out POIS, soon as POIS I lose all ability to do any real work and usually sit there gazing at the screen as though I’m reading hebrew.
A message from the moderator of one of our forums:
“When I emerged from a suicidal depression (over a lifetime ruined by POIS,) I immersed myself in the POIS forum. The POIS forum gave me MEANING – finally – a burning passion developed in me to FIGHT this 18-headed monster the only way I knew how. The forum has become a Sacred Mission for me.”
POIS eats away at your spirit. It destroys your sanity.
If you decide you can donate a little to our research fund, your money will be handled with complete care, honesty, and respect – by a most wonderful non-profit organization. And – most importantly – you will have helped the countless men (and their families) whose lives have been utterly broken by POIS.

reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/rge55/i_am_a_guy_with_a_rare_sexual_illness_its_so/

Here’s a POIS help forum:
poiscenter.com/forums/index.php

It seems like they are taking an approach as they are allergic or having some kind of auto immune reaction to semen. I would have to investigate this more…

[martinM]

Bryce, I didn’t suggest a standard high carb diet. Many anti candida diets rationalize a 0 carb or very low carb diet. However the transition from a standard to 0 carb or very low carb diet can be difficult and marked by greater fatigue. This may play a role in the poster’s current condition, not to mention if finasteride impaired liver function he would have a more difficult time on a low carb diet.

[dgreene]

Why would low carb diet be hard on an impaired liver? Doesn’t liver have to work harder to help digestion/storage of carbs?

[ghg]

I’ve been on a more “standard” low-carb for over 4 years now, so I don’t think it’s that dramatic a change… It’s just a little tune-up to that, really. Cutting all the crap. I felt v. good on low-carb until about a year ago, when this shit with the itchy head, low body temp and dry skin started. Toenail fungus I’ve had all the time and seb. dermatitis too. My skin was very oily during first 3 years on low-carb and didn’t itch much at all. I was able to live a normal life, but now it’s impossible. My hair feels like hay, my body temp, mood and energy level goes up ‘n’ down and I’m basically a wreck. The only thing I did differently before this started was that I took a supplement called MSM for like a month before this happened. I originally suspected that it could have caused this dry skin and hair symptom, but stopping it didn’t do anything.

[martinM]

@dgreene

Why would low carb diet be hard on an impaired liver? Doesn’t liver have to work harder to help digestion/storage of carbs?

nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002441.htm

[ghg]

^ Umm, what makes you think that I’d have a liver disease?

[gefinauser]

@ghg

So, today I noticed the same thing that I did on monday. Monday was the last time I jacked off before today. So, the thing is, that my body temperature suddenly dropped within few hours of jacking off, and I started to feel tired and a little brainfogged. I could literally feel the cold and when I measured my body temp it was around 35.5 C (95.9 F). Nowadays my body temp isn’t very high even in “normal” state, but it’s still like 36 C (96.8 F). On fin my body temp was low all the time… let’s see if I’ll experience this phenomenom on days I when I don’t jack off.

same here. the coldness in hands/legs is really noticable. worse is brainfog and apathy though, i know that i won’t be going to be active/doing anything significant work easily for the rest of the evening as the treshold is raised to everything.

[ghg]

So I don’t think it’s about masturbating/ejaculating after all. This same body temperature thing has happened even on days when I don’t jack off… getting pretty frightening. My libido is shot, I never get any spontaneous erections, no sexual dreams, no morning boner, nothing. The only way to wake up my dick is by jacking off and even then it isn’t very easy. The moment I stop jacking off, my erection is gone. I’ve now been like half a year without fin after my 2nd run.

[ghg]

So I used fin from 06/2006 to 01/2008. I felt pretty good after quitting, no real sexual sides, the desire was there, the ability was there. If I went a day without jacking off I would sometimes cum in my sleep etc. Scalp itch I experienced while on fin was gone, I had a very oily face and scalp but no itch. Then 3 years after, around 02/2011 everything changed. My skin and scalp went dry and scalp flakes like hell, libido was low, had a hard time getting it up, no interest in sex, low body temperature issues, constant fatigue, etc. At this time (and still) I could go days without wanking and I won’t even get sexual dreams anymore, nothing. So I panicked and jumped on fin again (fucking huge mistake I know) and was on it for 4 months. No change in anything, maybe felt even worse. And that situation is still on and I feel pretty hopeless… so do you guys think it’s even possible to “crash” after such a long time of feeling well? I have tried to treat this like candida but I’m getting to realize that no matter what I eat/don’t eat and no matter what anti-candida supplements and stuff I take will make me feel better. It hasn’t helped ONE BIT. So I think it’s about testosterone or about some kinda hypogonadism. Too bad the tests don’t show hypogonadism (T4V and TsH) and neither anything seriously wrong with testosterone levels (although it was like half of what it was in 2009 when I felt good).

[Demon]

Ehm, I’m crashed after an involuntary ejaculation in the night in a dream.
So everything seems normal to me …

[Milando97]

hopefully we all havent crashed because of alc and masturbation i did that on mass after quitting. because first i felt so good after quitting

[Andrew35]

I seem to have crashed again but for no reason. Like ghg my body temps dropped. I also felt in a good mood then later on I couldn’t sleep and started twitching. Today my body temps have gone back up, which I assume is due to a cortisol reaction. This makes no sense that I crash from zero stress or changes to my lifestyle/diet. It doesn’t seem like you can recover from this, it’s like the brain can no longer handle any stress and can’t recover by itself.