This forum has given us so much. We have endless case studies from users who have tried nearly everything. This is a blessing imo, if we have gotten into this situation in a period of no internet access, things would be hopeless.
I believe that if someone researches enough in here, he would get a good idea about what works and what doesn’t.
At the beggining, users here were thinking simply and sensible. Fin messed up with Test>5ar2>Dht, and they focused on fixing low testosterone with trt, dht with proviron etc.
Nothing worked so they started assuming implications in the AR, as even dr. shippen was stating that if someone has normal hormone values but experiencing hypogonadism symptoms, then there must be some kind of androgen resistance taking place.
The majority of the people here were low on test and vit d3, the latter being a good indicator of test function as it belongs to the same nuclear family.
But there were also some people with normal values but still experiencing the same side effects. This is very important as it indicates that the route problem is somewhere else.
I am not going to discuss natural recoveries, as it is sth that cannot be controlled. Some people have recovered with just time and this gives hope to everyone here, especially when doctors have turned our backs to most people here. And of course there would be natural recoveries, even cancers have been overcomed by some people without treatment.
I also believe that exercise is important, it stimulates the body in all aspects, including neurological and hormonal.
Also, diet is definitely helping, especially when most people have developped sensitivities to certain food, digestion is impaired, and surely metabolism. The latter is also affected by low body temp which everyone has got. I have read a study which showed that for every less degree of celcius the body has, metabolism is working 20% less.
To get to the point of this thread, i believe someone should begin his attempt to recover from pfs like this:
A) start with a fast. I think cd nuts also raised this in his recovery thread. It makes complete sense. The human body is designed to get into fasting mode. The body is absorbing much better after a fast.
There are many different ways of fasting, i think the best is the water fast, and the most reasonable one is some invention of a german doctor where you eat 200-300 calories per day. That means just a yoghurt and an apple for example.
B) fix the gut (colon,bacteria). I have seen more than enough people claiming to have recovered by doing so, and it cannot be neglected. Also, serotonin production is getting place in the gastrointestinal tract.
Probiotics, digestive enzymes, clean diet, anti bacterials etc should get the job done. Chi’s thread is a good starting point and also search for survivingpropecia blog.
C) re-establish the methylation cycle. I think 5-6 people who have been examined by specific centres which check for glutathione depletion, have all reported below baseline levels. Its easy: b12, p-5-p, magnesium and folate are the basic supplements people have to get. Droit and mario vitali are the guys who have been into this the most.
D) progesterone cream and pregnenolone. Again there are enough people who have recovered with these so its not neglectable. There is something going on with progesterone receptors, neurosteroid synthesis etc. nobody really knows and if you tell a doctor that a man is taking prog cream, he would be greatly concerned. It raises estrogen, decreases dht, makes your penis go numb etc. theoritically its a no no but again it must be fixng something related to neurosteroid activity. It helps for sleeping better and also makes you feel less diconnected. I suggest reading all Late’s thread as there are people reporting both positive and also very negative results, so be careful…
I believe this is the way that this forum has evolved into covering all angles for recovery. Keep in mind that the users that have recovered have used only one method. I suggest starting as they appear from A to D and not implementing all together at the same time. This way you can understand the changes and possibly be safe from any negative effects. Also the logic behind this is that you make your body more adjustable with fasting, then clean your diet and fix your digestive system, eliminate any pathogens etc. Then begin the methylation protocol and within a month positive effects are likely to show. After the optimisation of the body, D, is the one that will provide coverage for neurotransmitters. There are many people who believe that without brain balance, no recovery can be achieved.
Finally, do not spend your money on many supplements. They do little difference. But if you want to try i suggest:
- high quality tribulus with high percentage of protodioscin. Tribulus enhances libido, mood, energy, and also raise LH levels.
- high quality omega 3. Use large doses, 6-7 grams of fish oil per day, split.
- amino acids. Beware of cheap body building supplements, spend some more amd get the ones that people buy for boosting neurotransmitters. Map amino acids is one good example.
- iodine. Get the ones that come in liquid form and are high concentrated. Start with low dose and go up day by day. Iodine is beneficial for the thyroid, and there are also positive reviews by people here.
- carnitine. I do not think it is so important and you must experiment with which type is best for you. There is alcar, mostly beneficial for brain function, tartrate which studies mention that it activates the androgen receptor, fumarate which is good for fat metabolism and cardio etc.
The reason carnitine gets to the list is to cover the mitochondria issues which we might have got from pfs. This is just a theory and do not expect miracles.
