Could super high doses of testosterone be helpful?

Therapeutic Efforts Pharmaceutical
#21

JeffO has not been online for over 18months (you cannot email him either) so the magazine could not of contacted him via this forum.

JeffO’s story is only suspect because his experience with TRT is different from everyone else’s that has posted. (Also because of boston332’s anecdote.)

I never said he was a merck agent!! I said he doesnt exist. (btw does Jeff’s IP match the location of a PFS doc?.. or am I just paranoid.)

Oh, Ok. Why have they not reported this?!?

Agreed.

If your trying to ‘brute force’ things you should try it for at least 6months, and possibly years. Maybe throw in some methamphetamine for libido too (no joke).

#22

id be happy to see if Jeff0’s ip matches that of a PFS doc if you know the screen names of any of the pfs docs.

I am still curious as to why you think he is fake though? Dustin has also had limited success with trt. many of the trt failures could have occured for various reasons - underlying health issues, other lab levels that are off, lazy endocrinologist… i could go on.

I personally dont know how he was contacted, however youd be amazed at what you can find on google. If the author really wanted to get some quotes from him he could have called all the medical supplies sales stores in san clemente and asked for Jeff O. Who knows…

#23

You can use a search engine to determine the rough geographical location of an IP address.

underlying health issues

#24

And when i say ‘underlying health issues’ I mean the Post-Finasteride Syndrome. Whatever that is. Which is a direct consequence of using finasteride. That appears to permanently inhibit some of the normal androgen-mediated functions that occur within the male body.

#25

i think we all know that Oscar - but what is the common thread?
we should be looking for what was wrong BEFORE finasteride, not at what is wrong after (PFS). By no means am i saying that it is not the fault of finasteride.

even if it is genetic, or even if it was subclinical and we didnt feel the effects of whatever was wrong with us, their must be a trait we all share

#26

IrishGuy is having marked success with BIOIDENTICAL testosterone.

#27

This is the exact same thing that happened to me on Testim but I was only on the 1 tube dose. My testosterone dropped, LH and FSH shut down, and my DHT rose above range. Yet I still had a below range level of 3-adiol-g .

#28

it is common for dht to go quite high on testim because of more 5ar2 conversion which takes place in the skin

#29

Yes, we were all showing signs of male pattern baldness. Other than that there doesn’t need to be a trait we all share. Every person has a unique body chemestry and hormonal balance. There are countless downstream chain reactions and we all rely on them differently. This is what causes variation in the world.

Finasteride is a poison. It inhibits a normal bodily function, synthesis of dht from testosterone.

Common rat poison also inhibits a bodily function, the ability of the body to synthesize vitamin k.

#30

are you crazy?
you mean we were sick already?
I was healthy like a bull. was not on any drug. the last anti biotic I used was in maybe in 1995 or even before that.

#31

Does anyone remember a post by “Trickster” I tried to pm him but no reply. This was around april 1st which is suspicious, but anyway he said he took mega high doses of HCG two times a week for four months followed by clomid after that. His doses for HCG was 2500 to 3000cc. That is really high. But according to him it did the trick. Could it be that we need mega doses of the typical restart protocol steroid users use when they do restart. Many in the bodybuilding world do restarts but with what the community would call an average dose such as 250 to 500 cc of hcg. And when they cycle with roids they never go over 500 to 1000cc of test.

#32

Whoops, I made a mistake in my last post. I meant to say he
(trickster) said he took HCG 2500 to 3000cc for four weeks NOT four months.

#33

Anyone apart from Dustin tried super high doses of testosterone?

#34

I took over double the normal dosage and felt absolutely no androgenic effect.

#35

What was the exact dose you were on? I imagine Dr. Jacob’s put you on the two tubes of Testim?

#36

Actually Jacobs and Shippen both put me on TRT. I had a 10 mil vile and a 1 mil vile. I was taking about 1 cc every 3-4 days injected sub q per shippen. I did 1 mil shot IM thinking maybe it was absorbing into my fat and not getting into the bloodstream but felt nothing that way either. Did this for a few months and nothing except some hot flushing to to my face post shot and some extreme testicular shrinkage even with HCG.

If I tried another round I think I’d go transdermal bioidentical.

#37

I took probably up to 300mg or so a week. Not much change at all. Got back acne + scaring.

#38

I once did about 500mg / week back in my early days. It made me feel better for about a day and then I crashed. Btw, there is a thread dedicated to this question (user experience reports for TRT).

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3250

It would make more sense to consolidate your experience there instead of spreading it all over.

We are always hearing that certain PFS docs are reporting “success” with androgen supplementation (mostly TRT, but also some clomid, etc.). I find it very suspicious, though, that none of these success reports are making it back to this forum. Maybe the truth would be bad for business?

If someone, ANYONE, actually did achieve a LASTING improvement from androgen supplementation, PLEASE report it to the TRT experience thread (see link above).

#39

Testosterone with esters that are injected, is bioidentical too, once the esters are removed from the testosterone molecules. However, when people are referring to bioidentical testosterone, they’re usually talking about a testosterone gel. The most important advantages that gels have over injections, are that they usually keep the testosterone level within normal range, and increase the DHT level way more than the estrogen level.