Chillns' Hormones 101

General Discussion
#8

golf, I would just like to comment on the above (and thanks for posting it, have not read chillin in awhile) - that I’ve gotten very brief periods of relief of some of the sexual symptoms through interval training (e.g. sprinting above the anaerobic threshold) - something that definitely raises resting metabolic rate. Problem is even interval training two or three times a week, with minimum 48 hour recovery, leads to adrenal exhaustion within 10 days at least in my case.

Had always attributed this effect to the increase in growth hormone that one can achieve through interval training, but what chillin postulates does make some sense. It may be a combination of these two factors.

#9

Exactly. You can fix this problem by

  1. supplementing with pregnenolone and thyroid hormones
    AND
  2. training hard

You will see that you won’t suffer of brain fog or excessive fatigue after training. If you do, it will be because you didn’t dose pregnenolone right and you will fix this problem by taking a little more.

#10

I have been training pretty hard AND i am in the last stage of chillin’s 101 regimen using pregnenolone T3 and armour thyroid. I haven’t felt any better, if anything I have felt worse.

Also, the question just cropped up in my mind. If this theory could work, why isn’t crisler using it on his own patients?

I give up on hormonal therapy from now on.

#11

Did you start with preg and have any improvements early on, UK?

#12

No. I didn’t feel improvements at any point.

#13

Could you spell out the dosages of what you were taking and the effect obtained?

#14

Phase 2, T3 only
…T3 only (round 1) = 10 mcg at 7am, 3pm, 11pm
…T3 only (round 2) = 10 mcg at 7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm, 11pm
…T3 only (round 3) = 20 mcg at 7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm, 11pm
…T3 only (round 4) = 30 mcg at 7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm, 11pm

Phase 2 --transition to—> Phase 3
…T3 + T4 (round 1) = 20mcg T3 + 20mcg T4 at 7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm, 11pm
…T3 + T4 (round 2) = 10mcg T3 + 40 mcg T4 at 7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm, 11pm

Phase 3, T4 only
…T4 only (round 1) = 60 mcg T4 at 7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm, 11pm
…T4 only (round 2) = 120 mcg at 7am, 3pm, 11pm
…T4 only (round 3) = 120 mcg at 7am, 7pm <— starting to back out now
…T4 only (round 4) = 90 mcg at 7am, 7pm
…T4 only (round 5) = 60 mcg at 7am, 7pm
…T4 only (round 6) = 30 mcg at 7am, 7pm

#15

The pregnenolone loading up may not have done anything, I used life flo transdermal and micronized tabs.

I am onto stage 3 now, having done stage 2 quite sloppily because I do not have T4 alone. Instead of following the regimen set out in stage 3 I am just going to take 3 tabs of armour thyroid.

Unfortunately I am in debt so I cannot afford to try this again.

#16

If anyone wishes to boost there metabolism, that exact regimen was set out by Chillin over on Crisler’s forum. Also, anyone considering thyroid treatment should read this:

antiaging-systems.com/articles/234-thyroid-an-important-yet-underutilized-antiaging-hormone

#17

Ok, how much pregnenolone were you taking during phase 1, 2 and 3? Did you take any labs before/during/after the therapy?

#18

3 pumps of life flo a night. 600 mg micronized.

No labs.

#19

If you are stuck in a low-cortisol situation (i.e., sleepiness, fatigue, no motivation, weakness), then you may need more than that. For example, during the transition from phase 2 to phase 3, I ended up with low cortisol symptoms. To get out of the hole, I had to take 500 mg transdermal pregnenolone 3 times a day. After a week on this regimen, I could finally feel high cortisol symptoms and I could back off most of the pregnenolone. Note that 1500 mg TD per day is much more than what you are taking.

At some point, I also tried to switch to micronized rather than TD for practical reasons. But I think that, unfortunately, TD is the way to go.

Also, I have to disagree with chilln on the need of the labs. I think labs can shed light on what’s wrong and can help you connect symptoms to lack of (or excess of) hormones.

#20

To be honest mate, I haven’t got the money to do anymore experimenting so I’m going to leave it that. I appreciate your advice though.

#21

Have supplemented pregnenolone with interval training, and noticed no particular improvement compared to interval training alone. Endurance efforts (e.g. cardio exercise below the anaerobic limit) for periods of longer than 45 minutes invariably lead to exhaustion lasting several days.

#22

How are we going with this treatment? Can anyone give us some updates?

Can we get a few more guys tackling this method and report back?

#23

I’ll report back in my thread as soon as I get new blood and saliva test (in around 10 days)

#24

M_81,

If you had any skin issues, was there any change since you started the preg?

#25

Not sure I understand what you mean with skin issues.
If you mean skin problems arising from rubbing a lot of pregnenolone on my skin, no, I have no issues.
If you mean penile tissue issues, such as wrinkles and shrinkage, I had them very very bad before the treatment and while on pregnenolone only. Now, they are better, although a little fluctuating.

#26

That’s good news… hope the fluctuations go away and improvement continues.

I meant skin issues as in folliculitis, acne, eczema, etc on your face or back.

I have read cortisol issues could cause skin problems, which I’m having off and on. Hoping preg could be an answer.

#27

m_81, can you please post up links to the pregnenolone product you are using? also, your schedule/ dosing of other meds would be useful.

It sounds like you are doing it properly and sticking with it!