Chillns' Hormones 101

Hey guys,

If Mew agrees with this, I would like to start a thread showing anyone who is following Chillns’ horomone therapy completely… notably phases 1 to 3 from here:

musclechatroom.com/forum/content.php?117-hormone-modulation-therapy-101

Many people here are wondering if this works, myself included. I don’t know if there are a few people already trying this or who have tried it already… that’s why I wanted to start this thread solely for the purpose to easily track the results.

I am stuck in Canada, where although free, appts with specialists are months away and need referrals. I’m willing to give this a go, if possible.

Its theoretical at this stage, as is most everything else. Hence it will live in this section.

Thanks Mew.

It’s about time this got posted in here really; it’s something which to me appears low risk and well worth a try. Of course, like many of the theories/ treatments proposed on this forum it might not help anyone, or it may only help a few but it’s certainly worth investigating in my opinion.

I will update on whether I feel any benefits from Pregnenolone and T3 within the next 2 months.

This is a great idea. It’s a thread I was thinking of starting a couple of days ago. As you say its extremely low risk and pretty cheap to try.

Why not get a few guys tackling it at this angle and see if this hormones 101 actually works?

I’m trying it , early stages.

There’s a huge thread on his main concepts (i.e. boosting the “cortisol production line”)…

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4784

I don’t want to get my hopes up - but I am intrigued with both his confidence and the fact that he states this is a metabolic issue, which seemingly fits as we all have reduced levels of adiol-g…

also it appears that JN has followed a similar protocol and is doing excellently, though i do wish he would come back and share his experience.

Also here is a post below summarizing chilins thoughts on pfs - in response to youngbuck21

golf, I would just like to comment on the above (and thanks for posting it, have not read chillin in awhile) - that I’ve gotten very brief periods of relief of some of the sexual symptoms through interval training (e.g. sprinting above the anaerobic threshold) - something that definitely raises resting metabolic rate. Problem is even interval training two or three times a week, with minimum 48 hour recovery, leads to adrenal exhaustion within 10 days at least in my case.

Had always attributed this effect to the increase in growth hormone that one can achieve through interval training, but what chillin postulates does make some sense. It may be a combination of these two factors.

Exactly. You can fix this problem by

  1. supplementing with pregnenolone and thyroid hormones
    AND
  2. training hard

You will see that you won’t suffer of brain fog or excessive fatigue after training. If you do, it will be because you didn’t dose pregnenolone right and you will fix this problem by taking a little more.

I have been training pretty hard AND i am in the last stage of chillin’s 101 regimen using pregnenolone T3 and armour thyroid. I haven’t felt any better, if anything I have felt worse.

Also, the question just cropped up in my mind. If this theory could work, why isn’t crisler using it on his own patients?

I give up on hormonal therapy from now on.

Did you start with preg and have any improvements early on, UK?

No. I didn’t feel improvements at any point.

Could you spell out the dosages of what you were taking and the effect obtained?

Phase 2, T3 only
…T3 only (round 1) = 10 mcg at 7am, 3pm, 11pm
…T3 only (round 2) = 10 mcg at 7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm, 11pm
…T3 only (round 3) = 20 mcg at 7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm, 11pm
…T3 only (round 4) = 30 mcg at 7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm, 11pm

Phase 2 --transition to—> Phase 3
…T3 + T4 (round 1) = 20mcg T3 + 20mcg T4 at 7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm, 11pm
…T3 + T4 (round 2) = 10mcg T3 + 40 mcg T4 at 7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm, 11pm

Phase 3, T4 only
…T4 only (round 1) = 60 mcg T4 at 7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm, 11pm
…T4 only (round 2) = 120 mcg at 7am, 3pm, 11pm
…T4 only (round 3) = 120 mcg at 7am, 7pm <— starting to back out now
…T4 only (round 4) = 90 mcg at 7am, 7pm
…T4 only (round 5) = 60 mcg at 7am, 7pm
…T4 only (round 6) = 30 mcg at 7am, 7pm

The pregnenolone loading up may not have done anything, I used life flo transdermal and micronized tabs.

I am onto stage 3 now, having done stage 2 quite sloppily because I do not have T4 alone. Instead of following the regimen set out in stage 3 I am just going to take 3 tabs of armour thyroid.

Unfortunately I am in debt so I cannot afford to try this again.

If anyone wishes to boost there metabolism, that exact regimen was set out by Chillin over on Crisler’s forum. Also, anyone considering thyroid treatment should read this:

antiaging-systems.com/articles/234-thyroid-an-important-yet-underutilized-antiaging-hormone

Ok, how much pregnenolone were you taking during phase 1, 2 and 3? Did you take any labs before/during/after the therapy?

3 pumps of life flo a night. 600 mg micronized.

No labs.

If you are stuck in a low-cortisol situation (i.e., sleepiness, fatigue, no motivation, weakness), then you may need more than that. For example, during the transition from phase 2 to phase 3, I ended up with low cortisol symptoms. To get out of the hole, I had to take 500 mg transdermal pregnenolone 3 times a day. After a week on this regimen, I could finally feel high cortisol symptoms and I could back off most of the pregnenolone. Note that 1500 mg TD per day is much more than what you are taking.

At some point, I also tried to switch to micronized rather than TD for practical reasons. But I think that, unfortunately, TD is the way to go.

Also, I have to disagree with chilln on the need of the labs. I think labs can shed light on what’s wrong and can help you connect symptoms to lack of (or excess of) hormones.

To be honest mate, I haven’t got the money to do anymore experimenting so I’m going to leave it that. I appreciate your advice though.