Charles story

i strongly feel many of the issues most guys have on here physical, mental, sexual etc are most likely the root cause of hypoadrenal function and also severely disrupted GABA function. Too many guys on here focus on testosterone levels and raising them which will do virtually nothing if the other two areas aren’t addressed. As for guys on here who refuse to believe adrenal fatigue exists and are throwing issues such as candida out there etc I suggest you do more research. It’s all related to the adrenals, fix the adrenals and fix the other aspects such as digestion, immune function etc. I’ve been able to break out of the hell that I was in with the xyrem and get out of fight flight mode to the point where I can sleep on my own at night and be fine. I still have problems falling asleep at a decent hour, but the sleep that I get is now restorative and that’s a major step in the right direction. Slowly but surely many other aspects are returning to normal and I will keep everyone updated.

Yes I recommend trying GHB Testogel and other testosterone products will do nothing and could even be counterproductive.

OK,thank u man. Than everything is about adrenals glands?..ok i’ll search everything about that.

I have some really personal questions for u,but i think this is not the right place where to write them… this is my personal mail: -could u get in touch with me please… so i’ll reply u with all my personal questions .

I hope it 'll be not a problem and not disturb.
THANK U SO MUCH TO EVERYBODY FOR THIS FORUM !

yes i firmly believe the majority of post propecia problems are related to the adrenals glands and a neuro gaba imbalance/defiecency, I think my partial recovery so far and paul walters have confirmed that. also in terms of the energy level etc I would assume you have a lot of trouble with your sleep, that’s a large issue as well. anyway, instead of me emailing you perhaps you could just send me a private message through the forum? just go to my name and hit the pm button and i would be glad to answer any questions you have.

well quick update of my situation. I’ve finished my semester at school with plans on taking the two courses I had to drop over the summer so I can graduate in two months. I consider myself a rather intelligent individual having gotten good grades with little effort throughout school, and it simply amazes me how I’ve been able to somehow maintain A’s in my two classes despite all of this. I swear if not for the xyrem though and my partial recovery I would have probably had to drop out. anyway, here’s is where I’m at right now with everything, and please feel free to respond to my question as I i feel some of the information I need from you guys in terms of sleep is vital to my next step in all of this.

Firstly sexually speaking I feel almost fully recovered. Let me state again that while I had most the residual sexual side effects many users here experience they were far less dramatic, but none the less they were present. I can get full pleasureable erections again, ejaculate volume is back, there doesn’t seem to be a clog with signs of epiditymis etc. My libido still isn’t 100% back, but it’s definetly there though ( I could have sex no problem and want to etc). I attribute that more or less to lowish T levels and I have no doubt that as they hopefully eventually return everything else sexually will fall into place. As far as physical and mental I still have a long way to go, but I can function again on my own etc. In terms of energy and sleep I can sleep again on my own, and get refreshing sleep, but I still can’t maintain a regular sleep cycle, and have trouble staying asleep for more than a few hours at a time.

Overall, I do feel that the finasteride problem we are all dealing with causes adrenal burnout fatigue etc. I’m not 100% sure, but I do feel that I may indeed, based on my sexual recovery, have recovered from finasteride’s effects and am now dealing with a severe case of adrenal burnout etc. My main question to all of you guys out there, and hopefully you can help me out is how well do you sleep? Are you guys able to get decent sleep at night, wake up, feel refreshed etc or is it the same chronic lack of deep restorative sleep that I was dealing with for close to a year before starting xyrem? please feel free to pm me with your sleep experiences etc. I am really interested to know because I want to gage into how I’ve recovered thus far. Anyway, thanks for your time hope everyone is well.

If you suspect it’s an adrenal issue, why not have cortisol tests done? Mine turned up normal. My sleep is fine.

I can get decent sleep ONCE IN A WHILE, however, NOT LIKE IT USED TO BE.
I cant tell if its still just the trauma, and worrying I’ve done over all of this though still, e.g. a constant state of stress, because for the first 4-6 months I would go to sleep nervous, anxious, and panicking, and then wake up six hours later still in a panic, which I dont know, may also be a cortisol thing.

However, all in all, no, still cannot come home from work, and fall right to sleep, relaxed, and take a deep long (1.5hr-2hr) nap yet! Not like I used to be able to.

AGAIN, I think it may be stress and worry related though!?

In theese 2 years’s sideeffects I’ve had a lot of problems:
I couldn’ t sleep,NEVER. I never wanted to sleep,i was so tired but I couldn’t…I just could sleep 4 ours per night,I was so nervous,ipertension and when I couldn’t get to sleep I was thinking: If I sleep or if I don’t tomorrow it’ll be the same shit,I’ll be messed up the same .
I remember also when I could sleep I woke up so tired and so confused in my mind like “no sleep”,I was fucked up for real,every single day for 1 and half year…
It’s just from 1or2 mouth that I notice a better refreshing sleep,not everytime but now it’s better,but I still have problems,I wake up like a dead man,too much tired and I 'm a DEAD MAN WALKING,my mind is often off,but I repeat now it’s better than before;before I was not in this planet,I was in a parallel world,I don’t know how explain the sensation,it was so hard…people told me you’re crazy,I did crazy things and thought because I was not connected to the world…I was like a crazy,no sensations,no feeling nothing… nothing!!!
…This is the reason I’m trying to get GHB.

hey ithappens hows treatment going?

I will start back on Xyrem on monday. It tastes horrible doesn’t it? Like drinking salt. Makes it so not addictive.

Hope you’re doing well.

19, when did you get Xyrem? Was it difficult getting it?

when i take ghb my balls get sore :laughing:

no its not easy getting it. I only managed to get it through a doctor i know well. It will be hard to convince a regular dr. you need it due the large stigma attached to it.

Boston i thought you were alot better though. Why would you need it? I haven’t improved really on any front and thats why i’m trying this as my blood tests are normal. I want my vision back. And my sleep.

does anybody know how long is the cure whit ghb?

I mean how long have to take it (1 mouth,2,3 mouth or how much)?

…and does it have side effect after quitting it?

thanks

First of its not a cure. It may help but its not a cure.

Time it takes depends on if it works for you or not. It may not. Otherwise you’ll have to see as you go.

No major side effects if you stick to recommended dose. Do not drink alcohol with it. May get some pharyngitis and nausea while on it.

and to reply to your message i am in the uk. If you want to try Xyrem go through doctors. That is the only way you’ll be able to get it legally.

I would try other treatments first though. What were your blood results like?

hi,my blood test are normal (doctors say) but i can see hight progesterone,hight cortisol and low free testosterone and some thing more that now i don’t remember…

I have a neurologic appointment on the 3th of june,I ll try to get it,I hope it could work…for someone it works…
thanks for the answers.
what are u going to try before xyrem?

bye

i have tried using dermacrine sustain, exercise, vitamin pills, good diet, other sleeping pills, mirtazapine.

What symptoms do you have?

I had a lot of brain fog always… it was untill 3 weeks ago,but it’s almost gone after starting ginseng siberiano…always tired ,depression and sexual sides effect.
that’s it,is it enough?:slight_smile:
now (from 1 week) i’m trying l-tyrosine and l-phenilalanine and ginsegn siberiano and some days before sleep i take gaba supplements.

No, not totally recovered. I have some good and bad days. Somedays I feel like I’m almost recovered, and will tell people I’m 80%, although at times its not quite the case.
I would just like a full recovery,
and this is why I’m signing up with Crisler.
I want a full recovery,
and I’m not afraid to take shit either.
I dont think a body builder would try waiting two years to recover from ASIH.

Sorry for not responding and not being on here for the past couple weeks or so, but between graduating from college and moving all my stuff back home life has been hectic recently. Anyway, in terms of how my xyrem treatment is going I would say it has been a success thus far. I only take it at certain points when I feel I really need it, probably about once or twice a week at most. In fact I haven’t really taken it for the past three weeks because of how it started to affect me, and I wanted to see what my body could do on its own etc. The thing about xyrem (which is a GHB analogue) is that it has the potential to chronically raise cortisol levels. For a normal person on it without our problems this probably wouldn’t be as big a deal, but because a good amount of our problems do in fact stem from high cortisol this can be counter productive. I found that unless I was taking the highest dose possible to keep me knocked out anything less than that would start to get counter productive. Even a small dose now before bed gets me great sleep, but it leaves me a bit fatigued throughout the day. Granted the next day after that I feel great so the deep sleep probably does help in the grand scheme of things. The thing is I’m at a point now where I can get restorative sleep throughout the night, i.e. can stay asleep for 6-8 hours again, and can function well again on a daily basis.

In terms of improvements there have been a lot recently. As I’ve been able to sleep more normally on my own, i.e dream again etc I’ve noticed I have more energy throughout the day, brain fog has cleared up a good amount, hell even physically things have improved as well. It’s funny cause while I still think I don’t look my best from all of this mess I was looking at pictures recently of my graduation, and I must say I look so much better than I did a few months ago. Anyway, sexually things have been interesting. The clog that was sort of in my gear down there seems to have gone away, and everything is now pleasurable again etc. My sex drive and libido are still down a bit, but I contribute that to lower T levels t this point and hopefully they should improve in the future.

In terms of getting GHB like I have told the people on here who have asked me the only way to get xyrem is to go to pretty much go to a certified sleep specialist, have a sleep study done, and then have them prescribe it for you. As said before we all are suffering from a lack of deep stage 3 and 4 sleep which can be easily seen on a sleep study. I busted my ass going from doctor to doctor over the past year to get where I am today, and if you want it you will most likely have to do the same. In terms of how long xyrem will take to “cure” you of everything well that depends on what your definition of a cure is. I wouldn’t say xyrem is a cure, I saw a good amount of improvement on it, but that was nothing compared to what started to happen as I came off of it and my body started to cure itself on its own which I attribute mostly to deep sleep being restored and a few other things etc. For me though I was on xyrem regularly for about a month and a half. That being said I have pretty much come to the conclusion that finasteride sent our HPA into a pretty vicious and demanding feedback loop because of the reaction it caused in all of us. Our adrenals got shot from the high demand of it all, and our GABA and HGH levels went to shit because of it. That’s the real cure here not so much GHB, but GABA and HGH.

Anyway, my last week of school was really great, met some really great people and now I gotta decide what to do with a career and all. Right now I’m living at home with plans to start working in the next couple of months or so. Funny thing is before all of this back when I was a freshman in college I considered going pre-med, but decided that it wasn’t for me due to the demanding amount of work and high level of intelligence that I didn’t think I had for it. However, after dealing with some pretty moronic doctors over the past year it has actually restored a lot of confidence I have if I decided to pursue that as a career. I have a degree in management so I could go into business like I was planning, but what do you guys think. Business or Med School? funny how I could barely stay in school and my life was falling apart a few months ago. it feels great to have my life back on track again though in all seriousness.

Sorry,for more questions,but I don’t hunderstand everything,(I’m italian)…
than about sex, it can work again?.. I hunderstand your libido is still down a bit but is everything working good?? I mean morning wood,spontaneus erections etc…?

sorry man!!!..thanks

Ithappens,
Can I ask you TWO very important questions please, and can you answer them carefully, and specifically, please?

[Size=4]1) Before Xyrem [/size][Size=4]were morning erections almost non-existent, as they are for the majority of us?[/size]

  1. [Size=4]After Xyrem [/size][Size=4]are morning erections very common again, and normal now, e.g. five times/week or so?[/size]