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#41

Adrenals? Yea maybe, in fact I’m sure they are at least part of the problem. I have always thought these issues were primarily gut and liver (toxic) related, or should I say this is the one I always come back to. Occasionally I’ve veered off thinking it could be zinc deficiency or somthing else, but I still think this could be a gut problem and this is why I’m so interested in the candida thing. If your gut isnt up to speed, your liver will be also sluggish.

What I find most interesting is that our symptoms got WORSE when we stop the drug. This is absolutely in line with what happens when your body trys to detoxify a substance. On paper there is absolutely no reason why this drug should continue to block DHT when you stop taking it - unless it is stuck in our bodies? With poor gut function, your gut basically has big gaping holes in it (big in terms of digestion) so whatever you ingest can literally just keep being reintroduced to your blood stream and tissues. It also explains a lot of the brain fog a lot of guys experience which is what happens when you have a toxic issue in your body (gut/liver).

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#42

I don’t know why you continue to delude yourself with completely unrelated and unsubstantiated concepts, when research has shown us exactly why Finasteride affects mental/neurological function: inhibition of neurosteroid synthesis (Allopregnanolone, THDOC).

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#43

Mew, I’m not deluded in the slightest. Just aware of how toxins can have a huge effect on the way a human brain functions. How could it not.

Also, in no way am I stating that brain fog is caused by toxins in everyone here, only that when looking at things from a gut/liver point of veiw, the shoe seems to fit.

Why do some guys find recovery from brain fog when they persue a raw food diet or similar if this was purely a chemical reaction brought on by Finasteride?

And with all of your scientific studies, can you explain to me why I had a raging libido (the highest libido in my life) shortly after completing colon hydrotherapy, with a testosterone level that was in the gutter?

And lastly, why are you so keen to convince me of your way of thinking? I see your veiws regarding your scientific studies and am quite happy for you to have those veiws as it provides another angle to explore. Would it not be a good thing for me to explore this from another angle?

#44

Short answer is no one has recovered from this as far as we know. Some people have had improvement. For me it’s frustrating to focus energies that will be wasted. It’s a distraction from the real issue which are hormonal and epigenetic. This might improve your life some but it IS NOT A CURE FOR PFS!

#45

I find it rather arrogant of you to assume that gut and liver function is not the cause or part of the cause of PFS. If you don’t know what causes PFS and how it’s fixed, how do you know it’s not related to gut/liver function or some other natural deficiency?

Would you like me to stop pursuing an angle of which I know I have deficiencies in and persue your way of thinking half heartedly? Would that not be a complete waste of energy?

How good would this forum be if we all pursued one idea. It sounds to me like there are some control issues here. And the funniest part of it all is that most of the best doctors in my country (a country that is well and truelly up to speed in western medicine) beleive that proper gut and liver function is of huge importance to anyone’s health and well being.

You simply do not understand how the body works and that everything you put in your mouth, must be digested and broken down and either used or excreted. Including Finasteride. I’m actually quite surprised that some of you longer term members still can’t grasp the importance of this idea…or that you are yet to come accross a doctor competent enough to suggest this is worth checking out and correcting. This is not quakery, it’s where modern medicine is headed (well it’s already doing it in practices all over the world).

#46

I’m done jousting with you. Search my posts. I have multiple posts on here where I believe liver, kidney, and absorbtion problems are a direct result of fin. I’m specifically frustrated with this thread or anyone who thinks they are zinc deficient, missing a vitamin, etc. I am frustrated BECAUSE I spent 2 years and thousands of dollars trying exactly this same thing. I AM WAY AHEAD OF YOU.

Honestly I hope you get better. But your random claims that you are expelling candida without testing or proof that you have it, while not adhering to a candida elimination diet, are bullshit.

No. I can’t explain why I got temporarily better after having a serious intestinal virus either. I know there are multiple factors we don’t understand including immune function. But I’ve been searching for the right food, way of eating, etc since shortly after I started fin. It’s been 5 years. The only general trend I’ve seen is that by eliminating fin I started to feel somewhat better rather than somewhat worse daily.

Food does help, don’t get me wrong, healthy food and other options, but IT IS NOT A CURE FOR PFS. I don’t know if hormone treatment is either, I just know what doesn’t work yet, and I’ve been where you are and done what you’re doing already.

#47

Martin, this isn’t a competition to see who has gone to what lengths to get better. It’s about realizing that we all have a different set of symptoms and seem to have a completely conflicting range of blood tests and diagnosis. Some are definately adrenal deficient, others are not. Some are hypothyroid, some are hyperthyroid, some are normal. I could go on, but you get it.

You simply cannot cram us all into one tiny box and slap a PFS label on us or some other name for somthing we don’t know much about. Then use a one shoe fits all approach and we all must have the same thing wrong with us. To do this would be our biggest downfall.

Instead, we must treat every case individually in order to recover IMO as all of our metabolisms and body makeup are completely different. So just because a liver detox and gut cleanse and restore didn’t work for you, it doesn’t mean it won’t work for me. It could have been part of your problem and you’ve missed somthing else that is stopping your recovery.

Did you know there are about 7 different names for “Chronic Fatigue Syndrome”? Why is this? How can such a broad range of illnesses all be the same thing?This is because the symptoms and cause of the illnessvary so wildy that there are several names for it. Most good doctors beleive it is simply an abnormality in a specific person’s make-up (usually a toxic issue) and it’s a case of doing up to date testing to find out where the problem lies. Your general practitioner will have you believe that you are untreatable.

So did you test yourself for candida? If so did you treat it properly and thoroughly? Did you have leaky gut syndrome and did you heal this properly as well? I was being treated for gut dysbosis years before I even started taking Fin so I am also an old hand at this.

Once again, I can assure you that I do in fact have a chronic candida problem and there IS CANDIDA COMING OUT OF MY BACKSIDE. I am farting literally every minute like never before. This is text book die off. I’m in contact with people who deal with candida exclusively in their practice. I know what I am talking about as I’m sure you know what you’re talking about with your own health conditions.

#48

If you don’t label it PFS the is no way to get serious researchers to look at it.

I did the stool test for candida where I sent multiple samples away. It’s the only way to tell if it’s really coming out of you aside from intestinal or stomach scraping. Have you done this? if not than shut up.

I not only did this I did the proper fucking diet as my previous posts state.

You haven’t proven shit. You assume you have a candida problem and assume the threelac is killing it. Get the stool samples tested.

I went through the same process after believing I had candida. I did treatments and got similar responses after getting tested and it came out negative in the stool samples. The saliva testing is bogus. I got the same die off symptoms you describe but guess what? I DIDN’T HAVE FUCKING CANDIDA.

You lose credibility every time you make bogus assumptions like this while simultaneously claiming credit for success BY NOT EVEN FOLLOWING THE DIET.

I hope you get better but this thread is bullshit.

#49

:laughing:

We’re just going around in circles now. You believe what you want to beleive and leave me to get on with my anti candida treatment - which is working.

BTW i did the stool test 3 times. I am of the opion that IT is bogus (as are many people I know), similar to how you think that the saliva test is bogus. So there you go.

I wish you all the best.

#50

Some interesting perspectives here (despite the vitriol) with respect to the disease labelling.

I witnessed something similar in the fibromyalgia world.

There were great differences between the sufferers, but only through emphasizing similarities and coming to diagnostic criteria (which sufferers often acknowledged to be inadequate and unrepresentative) did the condition slowly get recognition.

I welcome all perspectives, personally. Like my creativity professor said, “the wilder the better. saves us from groupthink”.

#51

J89 is correct,

I had a candida problem and i cured it with colinic hydrotherpahy, candiuda diet and lots of probiotic yoghurt, i used goats.

The colonics removed a load of mass of yellow slush and thats when i got better. Candidia bulk of it resides in the lower gut.

It took 4 treatments one a week as well as following the candida diet and eating probiotic yoghurt like crazy for me to beat it, had i not used colonics i would have struggled for years no doubt.

The first treatment did not reach it, only slightly yellow water towards the end, the second treatment removed the most, the thiurd treatment a little and the fourth one barely existent. I had a fifth one a month later to check to make sure and sure enough the water was clear of yellow. i then weaned of teh candida diet but kept up with probiotyic yoghurts.

Then i had one 3 months later whilst eating nirmally and i was still clear of candida. One of the biggest symptoms for me to know i ahve candidia returning or it is present is constant farting and blurbilng in intestines.

Colonics are cure for recovery from candida.

Its good that j89 hyas discovered unani too, however i have never heard of machines being useds, that looks like a scam, normally its a case of taking pulse and diagnosing. Be careful as unani medicines can have high heavy metal content especially lead.