It didn’t happen in the 80’s? How can you be sure of that?
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We need technological intervention to fix modern peoples hormones; like nanobots or gene editing or something. We’re probably not as far off that tech as we think we are, as long as there’s a global push for it.
Imagine a world full of people with perfectly dialled in hormones:
- Testosterone, Growth Hormone, Estrogen, etc. All dialled in to ideal 20y/o levels
- All men under 60 jacked, robust, motivated, with a teenage libido.
- All women under 45 slim, energetic, healthy, and have amazing skin.
- Anxiety, depression, obesity, sexual dysfunction completely eradicated.
- People are healthy and working until the age of 85
- Healthspan increases drastically, Lifespan reliably increases to 100s-110s.
Idk about you guys, but I want to live in THAT world. And it’s not as unrealistic as you might think to see it in our lifetimes if there’s support for it.
I made a hormone test after pfs and my values are far out of rage. I have extremely high testosterone and especially free testosterone. Before pfs it was obvious for me. Now i feel like someone with a hypogonadismus. See what i want to say ? Its not our hormone values that cause this shit.
I agree that there are more pussies than there were in the 80 s but today parenting is completely different than it used to be. There were always slim and buff guys. It hasnt changed much. Maybe a little cause of the points you spoke about but in my point of view deniable. Of course many men today suffer from ED. The expectations go higher and higher. In every area including sex.
I’ll be honest, I can’t be sure, I wasn’t alive.
But just talk to any older person about it.
I’ve asked older dudes what them and there friends were doing at my age. They usually say something like “oh yeah, getting smashed, doing drugs, and fucking bitches every weekend lol”
And I just compare it to every mid-20s person I know: Depressed, barely drinks, low sex drive, slightly chubby, in a boring af relationship where they lazily watch netflix and barely fuck.
At some point you gotta ask “what the actual fuck happened to 20 somethings” It’s like 20 is the new 40.
I did crazy shit like that when I was a teenager, but I literally can’t now, and niether can my friends. A couple of my friends tried to do MDMA on this new years and their weak ass bodies couldn’t hack it - they were like straight up fucked for like 2 weeks.
i experienced the same but i took finasteride with 18 and since then my libido decreased and so on. so i cant say if it would have happened to a small degree anyway. i have no comparison. as a teenager i was like you
Most young people these days only have until like 20 maybe 22 years old before their health starts going to complete garbage.
In my opinion, and according to my theory, you taking fin at 18 merely sped up the process.
According to my theory, if you took a strong healthy 18 year old from 1940 and gave him fin for however long, it would barely affect him because his health would have been robust enough to completely bounce back from an offset hormonal system.
Males are now more comfortable talking about issues such as ED than they were 30 years ago.
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There are papers that suggest that younger men get hit harder with finasteride side effects than older adults.
There’s more going on though:
I didn’t have any symptoms of PFS prior to taking Finasteride whatsoever.
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i get what you mean. But that would mean before second world war nobody would have got pfs from taking fin. I dont think so. Especially the guys here with a strong libido prior to fin got hit the hardest here.
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This is a theory that was postulated on another site I frequent, that we weren’t at our best pre-fin. Not a new theory, but don’t let that discredit you by any means.
There are a lot of factors that are causing this. Sedentary lifestyle job creation in tech and desk jobs. People aren’t on their feet, having to work, create, and thrive in order to literally eat. Mineral composition of crops have deteriorated from over farming. The food we eat is often junk, and doesn’t provide enough vitamins and minerals. Probably vaccines cause issues (I only say this because CNN is against anti-vaxxers and that pretty much tells me everything I need to know). Increased circumcision of newborns causes brain damage. Birth control is excreted through urine, and the molecules are too small for most city water treatment filters to filter (same with antidepressant medication). Overprescribing of prescription drugs. Flouride. Lack of vitamin D.
The list is rather large, so it’s not surprising to see some negative affects.
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No we don´t. Technology is part of the problem here. The further we stray away from nature, the worse we become I think. But I absolutely agree with a lot of the things you say in your first post. I bet its something in the environment, either through air, water or food, or all of these combined.
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Which other site would that be?
Could you link me?
I used to think like that. But realistically we’re never going to be able to ditch technology, not on any mass scale.
Besides, the damage is already done. If you went through puberty in the modern age no amount of nature bathing and paleo dieting is going to put you back in ideal hormonal range.
The best thing we can do is to pimp technology to our benefit – it’s the only realistic solution.
Where are these papers?
I think you really hit the nail on the head with your original post. Attached picture helps support your point.
Something is very wrong with men (and women) nowadays. This is true across cultures and across the world. Obviously, some men are perfectly viral and healthy, but they appear to be an increasingly smaller portion of the population.
Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that 4 percent of procepia users gets some degree of persistent sexual dysfunction, and that 1 percent of people exposed to BPA plastics gets some degree of persistent sexual dysfunction, and that 2 percent of people exposed to round-up weed killer get some degree of persistent sexual dysfunction, and that .5 percent of people exposed to birth control in the water supply get some degree of persistent sexual dysfunction, and so on with all the thousands of man-made substances people are exposed to on a daily basis. It’s easy to see that even if the chances of any individual man-made substance inducing persistent sexual problems is low, the sheer number of potentially damaging substances modern man is exposed to pretty much ensures a man will suffer ill effects from at least one of them and perhaps additive effects from multiple.
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Just because men are having less sex now than they were, say, a decade ago, it doesn’t mean it’s due to endocrine disruption. In fact it’s unlikely that 10 years would make that much of a difference in terms of diet, etc. What would make more of a difference is the advent of social media and the complexities it brings with it. Furthermore the whole ‘me too’ movement and the notion of requirement of ‘consent’ is likely to contribute to the decreased level of sexual activity men are involved in.
Alleged hormonal changes within the past decade in men seems to be quite an unlikely explanation for this effect.
I think that endocrine levels have been getting consistently since worse since somewhere around the middle of the century.
It’s not like it’s completely dropped off in the past 10 years, it’s more that the consistent reduction didn’t have a pronounced effect until it got to a certain level where the effects are becoming very noticeable.
We’re at the point where perfectly healthy young men are finding themselves almost completely unwilling to have sex. Social media didn’t do that.
Think about it this way: Hypothetically, if you were to gradually lower a healthy man’s T level, starting at 800 then lowering down to 200. He probably wouldn’t notice that anything was really wrong until he got under 400, and even then he probably wouldn’t take it seriously until it got under 300 – Now think about that on a society wide level, our levels have been dropping for years, but didn’t start to have an effect until things got really bad, i.e 2010ish
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Yup, test levels have fallen DRAMATICALLY for the last few decades yet this is kept quiet. We hardly hear about this but this should be very shocking news.