Boston's Story!

Hey I’m Boston. Many of you know me by now. I thought you probably knew my situation, but officially:
Basically, I took Propecia for hairloss because I’ve got a big scar and crater in my skull and i won’t look good at all if I get bald, otherwise a lot of good looking guys have thin or baldish hair/heads. I took it for only 22 days (while I was sexually active) and felt a slight slight odd feeling once or twice during orgasm, but it was unlike anything I’d ever felt before, like a tiny twinge of some sort, so I decided to stop for a few days to see if it went away. I was actually breaking up with this girl at the time. So I tried masturbating to see if it went away. I couldn’t really masturbate for a few days, so I started to panic a bit. After five-six days I still couldn’t really get hard, and this had never EVER happened to me EVER in my entire life, even during very depressing or lethargic moments in life (we all go through them), through certain rough times in life, never sexual dysfunction.

So anyway, I started searching online a little more thoroughly (I had done a search for Propecia and permanent side-effects before I ever started taking it, even on two separate occasions, but never had I put “permanent side-effects” in parenthesis together like this). This is when I found this site, and when this whole nightmare started, back on Febuary 14th, 2007, its been about seven months. The worst of my life.

Now I thought I’d been depressed in life!!

But never had I ever had trouble getting out of bed, or wanting to feed myself, or not cared about losing tons of weight, or not wanting o answer the phone for weeks and weeks on end! This was hell.

Anyway, I went throught he steps, had full comprehensive blood work done at 3 weeks after, had low T for 6-8 weeks I think, but it then wnet up from 300-600 within about a to week time frame, I was just about to take Clomid actually, I had the prescription and everything from my urologist, because he said i was looking primary hypogonadal becasue of my low T, and “high” LH I think it was (anyway, my blood results are under the bloods profiles). Anyway, I had fertility testing done as well, but my uro thought i would be fine, but so when my T went back up to a normal level, everyone stopped worrying. Although I guess my SHBG has still been high all along (probably the only thing I still occasionally may get suspicious about regarding hormones and or bloods) but for the most part i just think Fin fucked with my DHT and T for three weeks by shrinking my prostate, this caused some blockages which REALLY affected ME as an individual, and then I came down with some serious prostatitis and BPH for 4-5 months since.

The reason I think it is a prostate problem now is because after reading long and hard all about the male anatomy, and our primary sex organ, the prostate, and knowing that its scientifically proven that finasteride affects the prostate, I basically learned that any disruption or blockage with the way the prostate breathes, moves, expands, contracts can cause any of the underlying prostate problems such as prostatitis or BPH (which by the way are often closely connected) and hence often sexual problems such as the ones that most of us are experiencing as well.

So anyway, this was at about last May (3 months post-fin) while I was also having the typical prostatitis like symptoms of pain and aching, burning in perinium (for about 2 months!!) urinary symptoms (which still persist somewhat although have gotten much better), and sexual dysfunctions ( i can have sex, although the nerves are nor right still because prostate has blockages.

Basically I am a very lean, active, sexual, and spiritual guy. I think I’m also very in tune with my body. I was convinced this was a prostate problem, fin just sparked the prostate problem, and then once they set in, prostate problems are hard to “kick”. So I decided to try some massage (prostate massage) to stir things up in there, and since then I’ve decided, that I DEFINATELY have prostatitis, as well as symptoms of BPH (which according to many sources BPH can often be caused by prostatitis), inflammation and hence swelling of the prostate. I had flare-ups, and symptoms which changed noticeably after just a minor probing or pressing. So this si when I then decided I should definately go to The Prostatitis Center in Tucson. I was going west for a wedding anyway, so I just planned on flying down there before I returned to Boston. And also concluded it would be worth three thousand bucks!

Well, after a weeks worht of him “wailing” on my prostate. I had some spontaneous erections, symptoms got much much better. He was working out a sore section, which btw was sore on just one lobe on the very first day, you can feel it. And so anyway, I was also actually cultured and tested and supposedly I have TWO types of bacteria in my prostate fluid.

ANd so no I am going back for two-three weeks of treatment.

Hey please read this message I just exchanged with anothe member of this forum as well, and please explore those links as well, I have discovered a plethora of information.

And one last thing is, I am optimistic, and you know why!! Because I have had glimpses of full recovery already. I have felt the nerve impulses sending signals, but my prostate is just still inflamed, but on occasion isn’t, and those nerves still do work, I’ve gotten erections just thinking basically. Also, I’ve felt normal here and there, especially when I’ve taken Valium a few times (although it is certainly no cure, and I don’t like taking it) But basically I basically have seen glimpses of my old self again during certain times when my prostate seems to flow smoother. I really hope this makes sense to most of you. If not, you need to do some reading on the prostate. It is constantly expanding and contracting, like when you get hot and cold, and this is also why your dick shrinks when you get cold. If there are blockages of ANY sort in your prostate, you can easily have sexual problems of any sort.

A few times I have gotten ready to post in the “Recoveries” section a post about maybe 90% recovery so far, although I now see it as more like 80-85%, sometimes better, but other days here and there, now that I’m back in Boston working and stressed again, a little worse and acting up again. But basically, hands down a prostate thing for sure for me! It scks, and altough the pain has now thankfully gone away for the most part, I just still feel some blockages and congestion in there for sure. ANd basically again, it just doesn’t take a rocket scientist to tell me this is a proate problem. Although I think I’m going to get cured. I think I can clear this, with the help of Dr. Polacheck!

Basically if anyone else is interested, i’d also like to hear about your experiences.

Thanks for reading., and sorry for the occasional run-ons, but just had to get this post out to you all, and now I have to get to sleep. I try not to come on here much anymore, because I think I’m going to get better here. I just need to get this thing massaged back into normal working order, and have all the pent up blockages and or congestion drained and flushed from it so it can return to its normal state.

Good luck guys! And again, thanks for reading.


Hey man, can’t remember if I responded to you yet. Sorry if I didn’t, i was traveling for three weeks, and feeling a bit better, although now prostate is acting up for sure.

Anyway, I have basically concluded that I have prostatitis and BPH as a result of taking fin, which fucked with my prostate and endocrine system for long enough for me to be infected, because of the blockages that occurred when things weren’t working properly. Actually I’ve heard of certain meds sparking prostate problems in people, and it sucks.
Basically, my gut feeling is that this isn’t rocket science. Its basically a prostate thing. My pipes are clogged, so to speak.

Here, check out these links! Actually yesterday I just came across some of the very best links I’ve found to date. I googled “prostate drainage” in parenthesese.
Here, within this listing on this page cooltoad.com/links/show.php? … PSESSID=4f there are all the links… to “The Prostatitis Center” in Tucson. Dr. Feliciano. A clinic in Toronto I think, and also some others .

Basically, once a prostate gets contaminated!!! I think is the best word to describe it, it can be difficult to “clear out”, cure, heal, however you wanna see it.
Although it IS possible. There are the success stories. The good positive stories.

Tell me what you think bro, after you read up on this stuff.

I am defiantely going back to Tucson for at least two weeks, maybe three, and am planning to be cured. I am also planning on doing this guys sitz bath decongesting, clearing method as well. cleanprostate.com/theprocedure.htm I will try it.
I don’t want to have prostate troubles for the rest of my life!

Well, I think that I am finally recovered hormonally. My dick and erections are big, hard, and explosive again, and have been for a little while now. I think my libido is almost back to where it should be too.
I just had the biggest sex dream!! And woke up with a rock hard woody.
Basically, now all I have to do is get rid of this prostatitis.
I will go for a full panel of blood tests soon.

I have concluded now that I definately DEFINATELY have prostatitis.
Its not even a question now. I’m not quite sure how the massaging is helping although I know initially it helped a lot (first week to ten days), and I am much much better than I was 6 weeks ago, and continuing to get better. Its just slow going, and I just hope I can get over it completely.
There’s still just a slight slight lingering pressure down between my legs at times that won’t go away completely. During the day when I’m on my feet I mostly never feel it. When its there though, I have to pee more, and if I eat a lot of sugary foods or especially sugary drinks, or more than a half cup of coffee, I still get the slight burning for a tiny bit, and this all of course will hurt my sexual function, and drive a little bit still.
But at other times, I am feeling much improved, and/or fine now. My penis is looking fuller and normal again, so I just need to get rid of this chronic prostatitis completely now!
I did just start the antibiotics only 2 weeks ago (Avelox and Augmentin), so this is not even ten percent of the way through yet, as I am supposed to take them for about six months, according to Dr. Polacheck. I am quite a bit better already, however, in the prostatitis department.

I have taken all sorts of things, but I think 2 apples a day, and good pure apple cider has helped me a lot. I’m not even kidding. Also, being active on my feet, and not stagnant. Of course I have been eating healthy with very little to no red meats or dairy, and very little white starches, and processed foods, for about six months now. Boy do I miss Ice cream!! and Pizza too!!! Its been over six months guys, I can’t believe it.
I hope this helps.

That is good to hear that you feel as though you are fully recovered. I hope to be in your boat by the end of 6 months as I have only been off it for just 4. My erections were the best just after I was on the Antibiotic (Cipro) however lessened a little over the next few days. I still can get hard though which has been keeping me positive, woke up with an erection this morning, thought I don’t feel like I remember… I also assume I only remember the really good woods I had in the past. I too still have that dull ache in my perineum so I can’t say I am out of the woods just yet. When I get big loads, hard erections 9 times out of 10, and no more taint pain then I’ll be on here posting my recovery.

Regardless I am happy to hear that you are feeling normal or at least really really positive again and glad to see you made it to the recovery section!

Congrats Boston! are you getting consistent morning erections now, or just every once in a while?

consistently. Just still a little … congestion at times. Thats all.
And still some slight enlargement at certain times.

Damn, I hope that once I see my doctor I can get on that regiment. As I feel a good Antibiotic treatment will be the only thing that helps with the prostate and nut pains. Do you know why they opted on those two over the more common Cipro for example?

Good to see you are having the morning woods consistently. I too have them I’d say about 5-6 nights out of the week. Just they don’t feel as full or as stiff as I remembered. Anyway, keep us updated.

Could you possibly post new blood tests?

Yeah, I’m actually in the process now of trying to get new ones, but I don’t have health insurance. Any suggestions anyone?? I wonder how reliable the mail order labs are??

ALso, 10yr… They prescribed those two antibiotics because they did multi-day cultures on EPS fluid.
Your dick is cleaned very well, and then after an aggressive prostate massage, you carefully pee in a sterilized cup, and they analyze the urine sample. They found two different bacterias, and each was most susceptible to a corresponding antibiotic.
Cipro IS very good though, and almost took it, but for my situation he says the other two, in combination, are just a little better.

I feel happy for you man. But man the sound of those medical tests makes me cringe. An “Aggressive Prostate Massage” doesn’t exactly sound like something I’d like to go through.

I just started Cipro 4 days ago. I already feel less taint and nut pain but the morning wood is still not there. My testosterone is at 465 (241-827) and free T is at 14.7 (9-25). T will have to get above 600 before the morning wood comes back full-time. Above 700 is when we should feel “normal”

How do you know this? Did a doctor tell you this? Because this is what I believe too.
My levels are actually right about where yours are, except my total T is closer to 600, however, my Free T, which I’ve heard is the one that really matters, is like yours.

I read a few articles that claim that 600+ is optimal and you can have little to no sexual desire with anything below that. Free T is even more important but is a percentage of total so the more you have to begin with, the more you will have unbound.

I think I can get mine up to 650 by weight lifting and doing cardio over the next year or so. (Keeping your blood pressure under control will also raise T and my blood pressure is high) I’m just trying to stay positive and healthy. I’m at 4.5 months off and went from 210nl to 465nl. I was as high as 521nl at 3 months (Had some good sex then BTW) but dipped a little to 465nl.

I feel better with everthing else (anxiety, depression, hot flashes), but the libido is still at like 20%. After reading John Colman’s and JoshBlacks recovery posts, I have accepted that it could take another 2 years or more to get over 650nl and feel ok again. I am just going to focus on myself for a while and not worry about sex. Stress will definitley prevent you from sleeping and healing.

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Yeah man, I’m crossin my fingers for you.
And please, dont send me a picture of your load solonjk, friend… lol. :unamused:

ANyway, I’m crossin my fingers for myself too.

These antibiotics dont feel great all the time, but I am going to stick with it.

Anyone that has done steroids the the point of impotence has shut down their natural production of testosterone so I don’t think that is a good example.

If you look at the recovery post like John Coleman or Josh black, you’ll see that their most recent blood test show “natural” testosterone above 600nl and free T in the upper 3rd of range while doing nothing to treat it. Pretty much everyone else on here is showing T below the reference range or a little over 500nl at best. Natural T levels seem to be a pretty good indicator of overall sexual health.

I felt my best at 521nl and my worst at 210nl. The prostate issues definitely contribute to the sexual dysfunction and I am on board with the adrenal fatigue theory, but both of those are related to having T in the low to low-normal range.

Adrenal fatigue can take years to clear up which I think is why we see most recovery posts happen 1.5 to 3 years after quitting fin.

Anyway… I’m glad to see you are feeling better. I wish we had more concrete answers instead of a bunch of theories but it’s all we got at the moment. I hope to see everyone on here in the recovery section some day so we can start talking about crazy sex stories instead!

By the way, I took some Ambien CR last night so I could get a full night sleep and it worked. I had a sex dream and woke up with hard on. I am not advocating sleeping pills by I am advocating sleep. Get it however you can. That was the first full nights sleep I had in a while and I feel much better.

Melatonin would probably be a better option for sleeping than prescription meds.

Does that really work? I can’t sleep through the night without Ambien. I fall asleep easy but pop awake at like 4 in the morning.

I guess it can’t hurt to try.

I wonder if the trouble sleeping is because… well, I have three guesses:
-because we are so stressed out over this.
-because our hormones are f—ed up somehow and it prevents us from sleeping well somehow. Or
-because my prostate issue, which makes me have to piss wicked bad, so this is why I have to wake early at like 7-8am.
???

I used to sleep late very easily, whenever I wanted to.

Yeah it does! I suggest buying the 1mg dissolavle sublingual kind. If you’re still having problems just up the dose, but keep keep it to a max at [3mg. I think the 1mg sublingual is a better option than the regular 3mg pills.

If you’re STILL not satisifed, GNC has this stuff called natra-sleep which contains such things as valerian root and l-theanine, take that in combination with melatonin and you will be out cold, but the the kind of unwakable out cold that GHB would probably give you, so you will still be able to wake up when the alarm rings.

Also all this talk about Cipro got me curious. I looked it up and it is no walk in the park man. According to wikipedia:

"[b]In 2005 the FDA changed the package insert for Cipro [8] to acknowledge the tendon ruptures and the development of irreversible neurological conditions.

The incidence of side effects for ciprofloxacin is acceptable and relatively safe. Approximately 9% of patients taking the medication experience side effects ranging from mild to moderate, with the vast majority of those relating to metabolic-nutritional problems and the central nervous system.[9] Compared to other Fluoroquinolones the incidence and severity of side effects from ciprofloxacin is low.[10][/b]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cipro

Last thing we need is some more, potentially even worse irreversible side effects.

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