Bizbee's member stories [merged]

  1. Where are you from (country)?
  2. How did you find this forum (Google search – if so, what search terms? Via link from a forum or website – if so, what page? Other?)
  3. What is your current age, height, weight?
    34, 147lbs,5’5"
  4. Do you excercise regularly? If so, what type of excercise?
  5. What type of diet do you eat (vegetarian, meat eater, raw, fast-food/organic healthy)?
    Paleo Diet
  6. Why did you take Finasteride (hair loss, BPH, other)?
    Hair loss
  7. For how long did you take Finasteride (weeks/months/years)?
    Over two years
  8. How old were you, and WHEN (date) did you start Finasteride?
    22 years old, 2001
  9. How old were you when you quit, and WHEN (date) did you quit?
    24 years old, 2003
  10. How did you quit (cold turkey or taper off)?
    cold turkey
  11. What type of Finasteride did you use – Propecia, Proscar, Fincar or other generic?
  12. What dose did you take (eg. 1 mg/day, 1 mg every other day etc.)?
  13. How long into your use of Finasteride did you notice the onset of side effects?
    6 months
  14. What side effects did you experience while on the drug that have yet to resolve since discontinuation?

Put an X beside all that apply:

[ X] Loss of Libido / Sex Drive
[X ] Erectile Dysfunction
Complete Impotence
Loss of Morning Erections
[X ] Loss of Spontaneous Erections
[ X] Loss of Nocturnal Erections
[ X] Watery Ejaculate
[ X] Reduced Ejaculate
Inability to Ejaculate / Orgasm
Reduced Sperm Count / Motility

[ X] Emotional Blunting / Emotionally Flat
[X ] Difficulty Focusing / Concentrating
[ X] Memory Loss / Forgetfullness
Stumbling over Words / Losing Train of Thought
Slurring of Speech
[X ] Lack of Motivation / Feeling Passive / Complacency
Extreme Anxiety / Panic Attacks
Severe Depression / Melancholy
Suicidal Thoughts

Penile Tissue Changes (narrowing, shrinkage, wrinkled)
Penis curvature / rotation on axis
Testicular Pain
[ X] Testicular Shrinkage / Loss of Fullness
Genital numbness / sensitivity decrease
Weight Gain
[ X] Gynecomastia (male breasts)
[X ] Muscle Wastage
[X ] Muscle Weakness
Joint Pain
Dry / Dark Circles under eyes

Prostate pain
Persistent Fatigue / Exhaustion
Stomach Pains / Digestion Problems
Constipation / “Poo Pellets”
Vision - Acuity Decrease / Blurriness
Increased hair loss
Frequent urination
Lowered body temperature

Other (please explain)

  1. What (if any) treatments have you undertaken to recover from your side effects since discontinuation of the drug?
  2. If you have pre or post-Finasteride bloodtests, what hormonal changes have you encountered since discontinuing the drug (pls post your test results in the “Blood Tests” section and link to them in your post)?
    Below normal testosterone
  3. Anything not listed in the above questions you’d like to share about your experience with Finasteride?
  4. Tell us your story, in your own words, about your Finasteride usage and side effects experienced while on/off the drug.
    Have not recovered yet due to usage of other androgen inhibitors such as fluridil etc… for hairloss, this has prolonged recovery. Did not start new lifestyle of no alcohol/caffeine/intoxicants, paleo diet, consistent weight lifting since over a year ago. Plan to fully recover within another year as improvements have been made over time consistently as well.

I’d like to report that I am about 80% recovered. I have been living quite “normally” now for a couple of months provided I continue my current regimen. My current regimen is :

Paleo diet with max one fruit per day and red meat twice a week.
Sprints once a week for about a mile.
Lift heavy weights three times per week for about 35 minutes per session
Sleep by 11pm at the latest, ideally around 10:30pm and wake up around 6am.
Lots of filtered water.

I have had weeks now where libido and erections have not waned and have been maintained to include persistent morning arousals, spontaneous daytime arousals, and nocturnal arousals.

Problems in the past that have now been resolved or close to being fully resolved:

  1. Semen used to be watery and volume would attenuate rapidly after masturbating consecutively. Orgasm was not very pleasurable, unable to maintain erections for long. Now semen is quite thick and white in appearance, volume is sustained after multiple ejaculations. Orgasm is much more pleasurable and erections are maintainable much more easily.

  2. Total and free testosterone levels have at least doubled and will probably continue to rise. Vitamin D levels have also gone up. Vitamin D level increases have apparently resolved symptoms of depression and despondence.

  3. Muscle atrophy and appearance have markedly improved. Energy levels returning to normal during exercise and exertion. Muscles starting to look dense and hard again. Skin oiliness returned after about a year into the program. Seemingly unshakeable watery appearance and pot belly are a thing of the past.

  4. Sleep vastly improved and uninterrupted. Much more refreshing although this still has a ways to go.

  5. Anhedonia almost non-existent these days. Taking more pleasure in things. Looking forward more to life.

  6. Able to tolerate more dairy and other forbidden foods from time to time although this was not the case in the beginning, a small amount would usually lead to worsening of symptoms.

  7. Brain fog clearing up and mental acuity and recall returning.

  8. Tinnitus or ringing in ears was common in the past, now it is rare.

  9. Scrotum is now fuller and penis no longer feels cold to the touch.

  10. No longer have constant cold hands and feet. They feel warm.

  11. Body fat percentage is greatly improved, appearance overall has vastly improved. Look like an athlete.

Things that still need improvement:

  1. Semen volume and thickness could increase a bit more to reach what it used to be but may also have to account for age.

  2. Muscle density could improve further, metabolism could also increase a bit more, muscle building ability also needs a little more improvement.

  3. This may be psychological as female contact has been almost nonexistent since starting recovery but libido could also improve a bit more.

Will report back in 6-12 months if 100%.

Hello All,

I would like to report an 80% stable recovery. It has held for at least a year. No major or even minor crashes and this is with lots of cheating with food. Recovery is not fleeting, it seems to be stable. Will report back a full recovery in about a year hopefully.

Hello all,

I am pleased to report that after several years of applying a protocol resembling closely at times the protocols listed by cdnuts and chi, that I have recovered to such a degree that I have only a little left to go before being fully recovered.

I have only a few lingering issues. I expect that with a few more cycles of pro hormones that I will return to normal. This may take anywhere from 6 to 9 months. I just recently completed my first proper pro hormone cycle and felt pretty much normal for a week or two afterwards during the PCT. A new baseline was reached and I expect higher baselines to be reached with future cycles. For those of you who are suffering and have been suffering for many years now I can tell you that I have suffered for over a decade (unnecessarily at that ) because I was stubborn and foolish and vain and unwilling to part with whatever hair remained. It was not worth it. I have lost much in the way of life’s pleasures. Although I have regained most of it back and continue to gain. I am posting now because I expect to not return here and leave for good. I have not had a major crash in almost two years. My T levels have tripled and I feel the joie de vivre once more. For those of you wondering how I did it, I just told you how. By following cdnuts’ protocol. Good luck to you all (most of you anyway) and I hope for you to have a speedier recovery.

Yours truly,

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Thanks for the heads up. If you find yourself recovering further please let us know! Congrats!

congratz bizbee

Oh, come one. You believe his “recover story”? No way…

This recovery story is fake and should be deleted. Bizzbee is still active over at another forum trying to recover. He has recently stated (after making the above post) that he is in “deep trouble” and “needs help”. Again this recovery story is fake and a case of wishful thinking by the poster.

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^ Yea because the guy lied about all of his symptoms getting remarkably better over time and doing all of his work to improve his health.

Sure you get setbacks especially when you are trying to live life like Bizzbee is probably trying to do. Beating PFS takes sacrifice and Bizzbee as well as myself will both tell you that sometimes you get caught up with living life rather than curing yourself.

The thing is- while he may say 90% and I may say 70% now or something in that matter- we both have recovered.

I’m sorry but comparing myself today to 3 months ago to 3 months before that to 3 months before that? Its called recovering- it takes time but it works and its fun and when you’re doing all the things that you used to be able to do, couldn’t do for so long, and now can do is just amazing. Haha the way a woman made me feel this weekend haha its just amazing to have these feelings again.

The above poster critiquing bizzbee is just somebody who wants to disprove that there is a way out of this. He is routing against every single person that is recovering. He wants us all to suffer just so the pharmaceutical industry has a reason to produce a PILL to fix pfs.

He will never get his life back and will always be rooting for the next guy to fail. Its so sad.

Dont take the above poster seriously. He is attacking the messenger because the messenger (me in this case) is delivering a message he does not want to receive. A classic example and a logical fallacy.

I didnt say that bizzbee lied. I simply reported a fact: After making this “recovery” post he has reported on being in deep trouble health wise and needing help. It was a simple case of wishful thinking. He didnt exactly lie he just wished he was recovered but was not.

It’s crazy the differences we have in mindsets between long time sufferers. Moonman is like 12 years in and cheering for people and working on himself in getting better.

On the other hand we have guys like PVDL who try to prove all progress or recovery stories as false.

It’s so sad.

There are people dedicating their lives to healing themselves from this issue we have here. Working so hard at getting better.

Coming from where I’ve come, its completely reasonable to believe there’s no cure. I get it. I was that bad. It made sense that my life was ruined forever.

You guys cannot doubt us. You cannot doubt people who have made the strides, the guys who have made it all the way. Heck, I’ve had days where libido and erection ability are 100%. I’ve had days even recently where I can’t have sex at all.

This is life- you don’t come back from hell in an instant. There’s no machine, drug that will take us back. There is persistence and healing. And finding one’s way. I’ve found mine and I’m so lucky to say so.

I should be taken seriously. I deserve it with the work I’ve put in. Unfortunately we will always have those literally take shits on our faces. Yes PVDL looking at you. Your words toward me feel like shit being dropped on my face. Discrediting what I’ve done is honestly just mean.

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I am just reporting a fact, you can make of it what you want: Bizzbee never stopped trying to recover even after he wrote the above post. I.e. he never was actually recovered. Actually he had a severe crash right afterwards and decided to go on hormonal replacement therapy because the natural stuff did not work. Obviously the hormonal stuff hasnt been a silver bullet either for him. This is a fact. I am reporting this fact. You make of it what you wish.

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I agree with PVDL, to many people claim recovery when they’re not and still using pro hormones and herbs and what ever else they use. A real recovery is when your life goes back to how it was before propecia, that includes not taking herbs pro hormones and sticking going back to your normal diet. I take 10mg a week of cialis and its like I’m back to normal pretty much, does that mean I’m also recovered? Does it f@ck, it means with no cialis I have weak erection and shitty low libido, the same would probably happen to anyone who claims recovery whilst still using pro hormones herbs or what ever. Many people at swole source claim recovery and still use god knows what.

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The 100% recovery does not exists.
Everybody suffered some changes that are not possible to reverse, but you can more or less manage it.
For example, I am quite well compared to most of you guys: I am able to do all i want. However, I know that I am not the very same guy that I used to: less libido, less ejaculation volume and less motivation.
Maybe my prostate is smaller? maybe is beause of some hormonal change? AR receptor? neurotransmissors? I don’t know.

Has anyone ever had their prostate checked out? I’ve been thinking about that a lot lately. I’m also lucky to not be as bad as some of the guys here, main sides were sexual, anxiety, depression, brain fog. Mainly low libido now, as I said tho 10mg cialis keeps me pretty decent for 5-7 days, only draw back is recently is it been giving me the most awful back pain so gave it a rest for a week.

I have read one guy saying that he got the prostate checked and it was “ridicously small” for an adult man. But I don’t remember if this was in this forum or antoher one.

I’m sure I’ve seen that same post somewhere, I’m going to talk to my Doctor about it soon see if I can get some sort of test to see whats going on in there.

Hi, i wrote it on solvepfs.
I got the prostate checked and was told it has the size of a man around 18y,i am 40y old. Took propecia for ±20y… The urologue told me that this was great, but i am not so sure about that…

That means “smaller” than it should be right? Do you know the size? How is the prostate checked? Easy to do?


Hi , the doctor told me the size/volume, but i do not remember it. But he surely wrote it down in his report for my house doctor, next time i see him i will ask for it. I only remeber that he told me “this is the size of a prostate from an 18 years old boy, this is very good for you”.
He made an ultrasound examination and a rectal touch examination.Ultrasound of course no problem, rectal touch examination also no problem, but a little bit strange of course when somebody puts his finger inside you…:fearful: