BIG NEWS FROM ITALY

General Discussion
#1

hi…now i have 3 doc believing me about sideeffects:

2 endocrinologics
1 neurolog

yestarday i went to neurolog where i have been 1 mouth ago and prescribed me cymbalta and i already told him about people using xyrem and recovering by it…i ll tell u what is happening:

yestarday i said him that cymbalta didn’t work for me and said him all symptoms still having and asked him to try xyrem and gave him documents printed from this forum about ithappens and paulw, so he said me that in the night he would have worked in hospistal and will study everything on medics forums etc because he really doesn’ t know why xyrem could work and why finasteride can cause this shit…and said me to call him back today…than,today i called him back and…

he said he is really,really amazed that is impossible to find irreversible sideefects from fina and noone is talking about it,so he read this forum and said it’s too much people suffering from that shit…so he read something about xyrem but still didn’t find nothing about xyrem and finasteride than he decided to write and advise in some medics forums about our problems asking something about this and saying that fina can cause these problems…he wrote to some researchers forum and said he is really really interested about these cases and he wants to denounce this shit.he said me this is a real seriously thing and is interested to make this denounce come up in some famous medicals paper and it is the case to stop this medicine’s commerce…than he said me call him back in 2days to wait answers from researchers and i think he ll let me try xyrem,but really interested to understand the case and wants to denounces this to fda etc…
i ll let u know how it is going on,but he is really hard and wants to fight against this shit cause he has really understand this shit.

#2

Give him this study if he wants to understand how Finasteride can affect GABA (if you are interested in Xyrem treatment).

propeciahelp.com/forum/download.php?id=145

I’d also ask him about checking into 5AR2 mutation/dysfunction/deficiency and Androgen Receptor insensitivity/mutation/downregulation post-Finasteride.

Since you asked this yourself, I would think you’d give them the documents or print out what is discussed here:

propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1541

Thanks for the good news!

#3

i already told him my theory that 5 AR is still blocked/damaged or doesn’t work properly etc and he still said that he doesn’ t know how it is but he said that generally just poison can block definitely enzymes than he doesn’t think fina can do it,but he doesn’t know, than it is just an his theory but could let me check it from differents docs i hope,i ll ask him, send me everything possible to ask and check and i ll try to do… if he 's really interested to understand and helping us, he could send me to differents docs trying to let me have these tests…hope he can do it… this could be a big change in our life…i ll post u.let me know

#4

Finasteride’s interference in the neurosteroids is a clear explanation for anxiety, sleep disturbance and maybe even confusion. Xyrem would clear this up by acting as an agonist of the chemicals we’re deficient in post-Propecia, no?

Also, the adrenals might be suspect considering our symptoms. If anxiety is caused by Propecia, then our adrenals may be over-exerting due to all the stress, and Xyrem would help to put out the fire in our heads so to speak. From what I understand, the adrenal imbalances can cause fatigue, weakness, brain fog, insomnia and sexual dysfunction also, so it would be wise to be aware of that.

It’s all a theory and probably not all correct, but ithappens seems to have benefitted from Xyrem in areas beyond sleep.

Well done getting medical attention on this issue.

#5

guys,write everything u think,every documents u have about this cause i ll call the doc in 2 days and if we have documents i ask him to see and i ll give these documents printed to him to let him understand better what is going on,he ll send documents to other docs and hope help us to come out… this is what he said me,he wants to help us.

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#6

I have another confirm about 5Ar theory…everyone knows the possible damages in penis’s skin and structure due the lack of dht…i’ve read from MEW’s documents,that after a lack of dht penis’s cell could have many problems,one of which could be absence of oxigen… xyrem is known to help bringing oxigen to cells ,than probably this is the reason why it is able to restore mecanism and only after few days people notice spontaneus erections or better erections… than i still think that the problem is situsted in penis/prostate where 5AR doesn’t work well no more

THIS IS FROM MEW’S DOCUMENT:

The fact that you may no longer getting nocturnal/spontaneous erections can create a state of Hypoxia (oxygen deprivation), similar to guys after they have Prostatectomy (we did not have prostate removed but Fin shrinks/involutes/destroys prostate vasculature via cell apoptosis) and do not get erections. If you also had a drop in T to castrate/hypogonadal levels after quitting Fin, penile tissues may undergo apoptosis

#7

good job so far Italy! lf you do take xyrem tell all of us if it worked, even if it is only a little better.

Jase (England)

#8

I was out from Milan (my city) i just come back,i heard doctor and he said that in september he wants to try xyrem,i’ll post for sure,don’t worry.
bye

#9

hi,like i said…i have 2 doctors by me.

1 is neurological and he ll give me xyrem…he has to call me back (hope in this week)

2 is andrologic doc…

today i went to andrologic doc with blood tests about adrenal glands (he said me to do that) and tests are all in range than i was ready to fight but when i got in he saw the results and said that i have some problems…he said some results also if in ranges are not good for a young man like me (i’m 26)…so he prescribed me a therapy with SYNACTHEN.

he said to take 1 intramuscle each week…

HOPE IT COULD HELP TO MAKE ME IMPROVE.
…if this doesn’t work he 'll try some more and xyrem too…

bye

#10

like said acth improved my situation…but I’m not ok.

Now I’m waiting to get xyrem from my doc ; but there is another important thing to say…

my father contacted a friend living in Swiz, he’s a chemical and works with some researchers,so my daddy told him my story and guess what ?..they all know finasteride’s sideeffects .

So first thing this friend said to my father is to add supplements with vitamin C and vitamin B 2 …and he 'll contact some of his friends to let me know what to do and how it is possible to reverse this problems…
I’m waiting the answer and I’ll post if some news come to me .

#11

Hopefully they can shed some light on the situation.

#12

are you taking them? any improvement?

it’s great! what we need is people who research about this. could we contract them? I would give them a part of my salary xD

#13

I just wanted to post yestarday cause the researcher wrote to me 3 days ago.

vitamins to add are c and b (all b not only b2)…

he said me that he has contacted some doctors he knows very well and some said him that the problem could be psicologyc and others said him that they ll try to understand what could have been happened to us.

he finnaly said that he ll have a personal research about fina and will try to understand of the drug exactly works…being a researcher he also said me that he exactly knows that informations are “banned” when happen things like these (i mean when people has permanent damage)cause the economic interesting,so he 's not a stupid…he’s a good friend of my father so i could also speak to him face by face in the close future(i hope).

anyway, i would like to send him some studies that could help him to understand something better about this hell .

Mew:
I don’t know all the studies pubblished on the forum so,and sometimes I also don’t understand them very well (cause the lenguage) could u link me the “best” or more important studies that can give to him?

I think not to many,anyway do as u think .

thank you -

#14

propeciahelp.com/forum/viewt … 0203#10203

propeciahelp.com/forum/viewt … 0163#10163

propeciahelp.com/forum/viewt … 0174#10174

That’s a good start…

#15

Do u rem about a my father’s friend that is a researcher?

He wrote me back and said that tom will call me to explain his studies… he also wrote me to call a doc living in SWIZZ and to speak with her… I did it today .

Guess what ? … this doc at phone told me that the major problem propecia lets at our body is gaba deficienty and that using ghb is the right way to restore it and other neurotrasmitters and get cured from this mess… she also said me to take another med (i dn t rem the name) to prevent the addictive symptoms .
She also asked me if I have had "vision , confusion problems " so she seems to know this problem…hope she could help …

I ll go to her next weeks and she ll tell me all and prescribe maybe the Xyrem and after that I ll write her name on the forum … anyway PAULWATER WAS A GENIUS .

#16

She said GHB is the right way to restore it? Could you ask her if there is a non-drug way to restore things or if it will take a certain amount of time to get things back to normal if we don’t do anything?

#17

I ve found this doc here in Italy ,he seems to be an expert about gaba-energic,allopregnenolone etc…so tom i 'll call him,just to know if i can see him …his name is giovanni biggio,neuroscience… take a read…

molpharm.aspetjournals.org/cgi/r … 6/1262.pdf

#18

i thought your fog is gone?

#19

yes ,mine is almost all gone,i mean it comes just some times if i m tired…but this article could be even about the sexual sides looking at the reaction of ithappens and paul from ghb …the article talks about gaba energic and exitatory in the mind,we all dn t get excited so maybe it’s because of this…

#20

ah ok, so you got sexual sides too?