No, cant say I have had those tests done.
DUde, no offense, your posts are quite entertaining, so I wish you not to leave, but I sort of recall in your last post you saying it was your âlast postâ and you were going to leave.??? 
ha boston i totally agree. turns out though his last post got him banned. i feel bad for the guy as i do for anyone who has had to go through the hell weâve been through, but man that guy was just out there, a complete lunatic.
His latest username hasnât been banned, he just hasnât posted since his last post.
I see that you keep offending me and you really cannot look at yourself from the critical point of view. I would say that a lack of testosteron is the least propable in your case which unfortunetely fits my theory.
When I read your âprogesteron the keyâ theory I find it one of the most rediculous texts ever written here. And you have a courage to call me lunatic⊠give me a brake dude.
This is the last time you provoke me to write here again. For all the rest, the brave souls around this site I suggest you doing full pneumoniae panel.
Wonât cost much, but may be helpfull. For those who would like to know what is the suplementation for pneumoniae I can give you the below link.
Suplementation in Polish:
forum.chlamydioza.pl/portal.php?show=8
American site:
Basic suplementation: Folic Acid, Alpha-lipolic Acid, Koenzym Q10, L-Carnitine, Vitamin D, Selen, Magnesium, Biotin, Omega-3, B complex, Melatonine, Glucosamine, Probiotics, All anti-fungal antibiotics
Do you find any similarities?
I am done guys. I will tell you how the progress goes within a year.
As you may not know ithappens⊠or whatever I have been medicaly diagnosed by somebody you might call another âlunaticâ, unfortunately his a doctor of medicine.
thereâs no need to argue with you. if a certified doctor has diagnosed you with having cpn then by all means i fully believe you. but to say that everyone here is suffering from cpn due to taking finasteride? umm are you serious? show me the literature linking finasteride to cpn and i may believe you. the fact of the matter is perhaps your cpn is contributing more to your problems afterwards, but i find it damn near impossible that finasteride would cause me to have a systematic serious bacterial infection. and as for progesterone and adrenal function being key to the whole finasteride mess weâre in, iâm sorry but my linking finasteride to damaging adrenal function via inhibiting 5AR and affecting DHT progesterone etc, key items produced by the adrenals is much more plausiable than saying that finasteride infected me with CPN. I mean thatâs just my take it on it, but why look at logic right?
Ithappens I see you are still trying to pretend to be a doctor. I am not linking Finasteride with pneumoniae. Read the american site, take your chance and get this full panel. I only try to help.
cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13844151
Titre du document / Document title
A high isoflavone soy protein diet and intravenous genistein delay rejection of rat cardiac allografts
Auteur(s) / Author(s)
OâCONNOR Timothy P. (1) ; LIESEN Daniel A. (2) ; MANN Paul C. (1) ; ROLANDO Lori (1) ; BANZ William J. (3) ;
Affiliation(s) du ou des auteurs / Author(s) Affiliation(s)
(1) Department of Surgery, Southern Illinois University School of Medicine, Springfield, IL 62702, ETATS-UNIS
(2) Department of Surgery, Medical College of Ohio, Toledo, OH 43614, ETATS-UNIS
(3) Department of Animal Science, Food and Nutrition, Southern Illinois University, Carbondale, IL 62901, ETATS-UNIS
Résumé / Abstract
Genistein, a soy isoflavone, has in vitro immunosuppressive properties. We investigated whether genistein or dietary soy protein containing isoflavones could influence the outcome of rat cardiac allografts. Lewis rats were fed a diet with protein from high isoflavone soy protein fraction (HIS), casein (CAS) or casein with isoflavones added (Cl) starting 1 wk before heart transplants from Wistar Furth donors, and continuing throughout the study. HIS-fed rats had significantly prolonged time to rejection compared with CAS- and Cl-fed recipients (10.8 ± 2.62 vs. 7.18 ± 0.75 and 7.22 ± 0.44 d, P < 0.001). Intravenous genistein [20mg/(kg.d) for 14 d] significantly prolonged heart survival compared with controls and dissolvent-treated recipients (23.2 ± 7.4 vs. 8.4 ± 1.3 and 11.4+/3.6 d, P < 0.0005), and had an additive effect when given to heart recipients also receiving low dose cyclosporine for 7 d (30.8 ± 2.3 vs. 23.4 ± 2.4 d, P < 0.005). Concanavalin A-stimulated lymphocytes, isolated from Lewis rats given intraperitoneal genistein for 7 d, had decreased production of interferon y compared with controls or dimethyl sulfoxide-treated groups (22.6 ± 9.9 vs 149 ± 105 and 154 ± 103 Όg/L, P < 0.05). In conclusion, a high isoflavone soy diet and intravenous genistein, but not isoflavone extract alone, delay rejection of rat cardiac allografts, with an additive effect in cyclosporine-treated rats. In addition, intraperitoneal genistein has immunosuppressive properties in vivo.
Revue / Journal Title
The Journal of nutrition ISSN 0022-3166 CODEN JONUAI
Source / Source
2002, vol. 132, no8, pp. 2283-2287 [5 page(s) (article)] (33 ref.)
Langue / Language
Anglais
Editeur / Publisher
American Society for Nutritional Sciences, Bethesda, MD, ETATS-UNIS (1928) (Revue)
Mots-clés anglais / English Keywords
Vertebrata ; Mammalia ; Rodentia ; Cardiovascular disease ; Plant origin ; Isoflavone derivatives ; Feeding ; Immunosuppressive agent ; Protection ; Rat ; Heart ; Transplantation ; Rejection ; Homograft ; Genistein ; Diet ; Soy protein ;
Mots-clés français / French Keywords
Vertebrata ; Mammalia ; Rodentia ; Appareil circulatoire pathologie ; Origine végétale ; Isoflavone dérivé ; Alimentation ; Immunodépresseur ; Protection ; Rat ; Coeur ; Transplantation ; Rejet ; Homogreffe ; Génistéine ; Régime alimentaire ; Protéine soja ;
Mots-clés espagnols / Spanish Keywords
Vertebrata ; Mammalia ; Rodentia ; Aparato circulatorio patologĂa ; Origen vegetal ; AlimentaciĂłn ; Inmunodepresor ; ProtecciĂłn ; Rata ; CorazĂłn ; TrasplantaciĂłn ; Rechazo ; Homoinjerto ; Genisteina ; RĂ©gimen alimentario ; ProteĂna soja ;
Localisation / Location
INIST-CNRS, Cote INIST : 2042, 35400010906684.0280
Mitch⊠I got a blockbuster for youâŠ
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14738448
Curran EM, Judy BM, Newton LG, Lubahn DB, Rottinghaus GE, Macdonald RS, Franklin C, Estes DM.
Department of Veterinary Pathobiology, University of Missouri-Columbia, Columbia, MO, USA.
Diets rich in soy phytoestrogens have many potential health benefits but isoflavones such as genistein may suppress cell mediated immune function. The effect of dietary phytoestrogens on the host response to infection has not been extensively examined. Mice were fed a diet containing soy phytoestrogens and infected with Mycobacterium avium to establish a chronic infection and inflammatory response. As phytoestrogens may act through classical oestrogen receptors (ER), mice deficient in ERalpha signalling and wild type mice were evaluated for a panel of Type 1-associated cytokines (IFNgamma, IL-12 and IL-18) in the spleen. IFNgamma production in the spleen was increased approximately 4-fold in ERalpha-deficient mice fed a casein-based diet over wild type mice fed a casein-based diet (P < 0.05), suggesting a role for ERalpha in suppressing IFNgamma production. IL-18 levels in spleens of wild type mice were decreased compared to ERalpha-deficient mice on a casein diet. Splenic IL-12 and IL-18 levels were not affected in wild type and ERalpha-deficient mice on the phytoestrogen containing diets, with the exception that whole soy increased IL-12 levels in the tissues of ERalpha deficient mice. We conclude that ERalpha and dietary phytoestrogens can influence production of key regulatory cytokines in response to chronic bacterial infection.
PMID: 14738448 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
PMCID: PMC1808947
Hey Guys,
ITs been a couple of years and I decided to check back here to see any familiar names. I joined up when this site first got launch and posted quite a bit my experience and recovery.
Im pretty much recovered, its been a nightmare but I feel Im back to normal. I was hoping to see a few familiar names here but maybe thats a good thing too.
Mitch
How did you recover Mitch? Did it just take time or did you try different meds? How long did it take you to recover since your last pill?
Also, how do we know your not from Merck?
Sorry pal but I dont trust anyone anymore 
you should have asked this question before. you have been talking to this guy in the past
Me being from merck??? Youve got to be kidding. I was here when this site first started, ask Mew. I used to under the name of Kodawolf when this was part of the yahoo site
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as far as my recovery goes, it took timeâŠand time and lots of patience and luck. I tried so many different things. One of the few things that helped me was I started taking armour thyroid and also a supplement for my adrenals. This was the only thing that helped me. I was too paranoid to start trying anything else like TRT etc. I do have a few posts here on what I went through and my recovery in more detail.
Mitch - Thanks for checking back in. Could you give a little more information on the âsupplement for your adrenalsâ? Also did your T4 and TSH levels indicate that you should go on Armour Thyroid, and if so what were the levels? We are desparate for information on this board from people who have actually recovered.
Sorry Mitch, for some reason thought this page of the thread was the startâŠ
Glad to hear you have recovered.
mitch how did u figure it was ur thyroid and adrenals? did ur bloods show this?
At the time I was trying everything, I was desperate. I even tried anti depressants, that was a big mistake. Anyway, at some point I had my thyroid tested and according to the doctor I was slightly hypo but also around the same time they revised the numbers determining ânormalâ thyroid and hypo. I fell in the hypo catagory. I didnt want to take synthetic thyroid meds so I did some search and saw success with armour thyroid. It seemed to help withing a week or so but then it tapered off. I did more search and saw info about the adrenals so I figured I would try boosting my adrenals. While searching the web I saw lots of info concerning adrenal burnout etc. I fit into so many of the symptoms.
Youve got to understand, I was battlign this nightmare from propecia for years, trying so many things and nothing worked. When I started using the thyroid and adrenal supplements and noticed an improvement with my brain fog etc I literally cried. I could finally see a light at the end of this nightmare.
It took time but with change in diet, no meat, more fish, veggies and these supplements I started getting better, better erections, more sex drive, no brain fog, able to concentrate etc.
I look back at those years and consider them âlostâ years of my life. I was alive but in a dream state, not really there etc.
Im trying to remember the adrenal supplements but cant right now. I will look for them and post when I find them.
Mitch
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