It’s a common assumption on this forum that pfs sufferers have bad side effects despite good hormonal levels. I can’t find any example though. So, I would like to collect such examples in this thread. Even an “almost optimal” hormonal profile would be of interest.
PS: Obviously, report only a pretty much complete hormonal panel. For example, if you have tested only total T and that came back high, don’t bother posting.
I’ll start with my hormonal profile. This is from 2010, on clomid.
T = 934 (300-1080)
SHBG = 41 (11-80)
Free T = 175 (47-244)
Free T % = 1,9 (1.6-2.9)
E2 = 27.5 (10-42)
Prolactin = 7.4 (2.1-17.7)
DHT 765 (106-719)
FT4 = 1.3 (0.75 - 1.54)
TT4 = 7.66 (5.10-14.10)
FT3 = 3.2 (2.4 - 4.2)
RT3 = 339 (90 - 350) – high
Cortisol saliva x4: 9 (13-24), 3 (5-10), 5 (3-8), 4 (1-4) – low
m-81. being hypothyroid and hypoadrenal is not optimal at all.
My last lab was PERFECT
Not a single value outside of range or even close to being outside of range and I’m still sick as hell
I am a little better in terms of symptoms than I was a year ago. No progress on sexual sides, but brain fog is completely gone and has been gone for about 6 months now
Joetz did you do anything that got rid of your brain fog?
Post them here…
Do they include a 24 hour urinary cortisol panel and reverse T3 ?
I perfectly know. But I’m interested in seeing also “sub-optimal” blood tests, where, for example, the sex hormones are great but thyroid and adrenal are not.
Please post the tests
My hormone numbers have all been in normal range except for 3a-diol-G which has been consistently out of range low. Whether or not they are “perfect” or not I unfortunately have no way of knowing since I didn’t get any pre-propecia labs done.
Cortisol, Saliva, 4x (07/12/11)
8 AM - 0.081 [0.025 - 0.600] ug/dL
12 PM - 0.077 [LT 0.010 - 0.330] ug/dL
4 PM - 0.050 [0.010 - 0.200] ug/dL
12 AM - 0.017 [LT 0.01 - 0.090] ug/dL
fin2005: your DHT and free testosterone are semi-low. this is a result of what looks like semi-low cortisol and a sub-optimal fT3/rT3 ratio. yours is 14.4 and optimal is above 20.
the 3a-diol-g is a different animal.
I’m getting new blood drawn in the next couple days. My testosterone numbers should be higher as I’ve been using testim gel for the last 19 days. That being said though, all my numbers are already in range now, none are even close to the bottom/top of the range really except DHT in the most recent one. No way to know whats optimal/perfect for me though since I didn’t get my baseline before I took this bullshit. I’m starting to think more though that my numbers are probably fine but something else is wrong. Because the TRT hasn’t done shit for my symptoms, and my always out of range low 3a-diol-G.
I think it will go away for everyone in time and I never had it badly to begin with but using an alpha stim really worked miracles for me. I went from having almost no short term memory at all to having great memory in just a few weeks of usage. I also think royal jelly helped too
Joetz,
Thanks for posting your results.
You haven’t tested some thyroid hormones (RT3 is missing, which is critical. FT3 is missing too) and you haven’t tested cortisol (via a saliva x4). Without those labs, your test is incomplete. From the 2 tests posted above yours, you can see that despite good sex hormones, people can have bad cortisol levels. Low cortisol can possibly cause sides.
Furthermore, your free T is in the lower part of the range (104, out of 52-280).
If I were you, I would ask my dr to test the missing critical hormones.
I guess I could but I have had my thyroid hormones tested before and always had good numbers.
I’m sort of at the point where I’ve given up on the “this problem is due to hormones” angle
I have yet to see anyone recover by fiddling with their hormone levels.
You better start reading more then, guys report “recoveries” from arimidex all the way to synthyroid and hcg…
Also RT3? Could you post these results too, please?
I wouldn’t rule it out, given that your free T is in the first quartile of the range while your E2 (which opposes free T) is in the upper part of its range.
Here you go, have a good read: Dury (T4+clomid), correiovip (prednisone), robocopp (T4+dexa), JN (improved-not recovered- with T4,pregnenolone,T)
On the other hand, I have yet to see a blood test that shows good levels of 1) sex hormones 2) cortisol 3) thyroid hormones.
