Just finish a meeting with Dr Crisler and was very disappointed. He couldn’t even read my blood test results correctly. One moment he said one thing and the second he said the opposite. He didn’t make any sense and sounded like he is just quick to suggest some drugs without giving it any consideration
Since you’re based in the UK, was this a telephone consultation or did you fly to the USA?
I’m sorry to hear that, however anecdotally I haven’t heard others having this same type of experience. What do you mean one moment he said one thing and the second he said the opposite?
Either way, Dr. Crisler is one of the doctors who is against Finasteride and realizes it can cause persistent issues, which is important when trying to find help from medical professionals.
I’ve mentioned for PFS guys not to go to him. I have been his patient for 6 years and spent close to $4,000 in him. Despite this, I had to order my own tests and diagnose myself as hypoadrenal and reverse T3 dominant. Only after that did he agree with me. Not to mention that my last appointment with him he did not know that I had been on about 5 different types of TRT through him, you would think that would be in his notes somewhere…but instead he just argued that it was not true.
I think he has too many patients that he never sees face to face. Spend 5 minutes on the phone rushing through consultations. Its just a bad vibe for Dr-patient relationship.
I wish I had go to Dr. Mariano.
He’s not an alchemist, he can’t do anything that a normal endo or uro who’s versed in TRT can with the same pharmaceutical products.
And he’s made a LOT of money from PFS. He said two years ago he’d seen a ‘couple hundred’ guys; 200 x $300 (minimum) for consult fees is $60 000.
I’m not saying he’s exploiting us or that he doesn’t know what he’s doing. Clearly, he’s quite compassionate about the problem and is very well versed in dealing with hormone problems - he’s not some naturopath hick.
But I think it’s safe to say we’ve reached a point where we can look beyond his input. His success rate seems poor going by the forum. It’s telling that there is little activity now on his ‘official finasteride thread’, even lesser affected newbies have wised up.
I still think Shippen is the PFS doc to see if you really need to. He has a wealth of experience and is at least honest about the situation.
I’m sory this happend to you, but I’m not surprised. The guy is a business man first and foremost. I think the problem is people think because the guy speaks out publicly about finasteride in a negative way that he can provide more help than other doctors. There is Zero proof he has made 1 single guy better. At least not one of these supposed guys has ever stumbled onto this forum or any other forum that I have seen online.
I am a patient of Crisler’s. I came into it with very low expectations, so I really haven’t been disappointed. I think he is a little unprofessional in that he has a little bit of an indifferent attitude toward the patient. He was eating while giving me a phone consultation at one point. He has little memory of the overall case of the patient also. I think he may have even called me ‘bro’ or ‘dude’ once too.
Overall, I just use him to order my blood testing. Once you an established patient of Crisler’s, you can do unlimited follow up visits as long as its within one year of your last visit. The follow up visits are only 75 bucks. So, I look at it like this: I can either go to an endocrinologist within my insurance network and pay a 35 co-pay and have the guy fight with me about not having anything wrong with me and saying its all in my mind and then resisting me when I ask for blood testing or not ordering all the blood testing I need…or I can pay Crisler 75 bucks and have him order all my blood tests which are covered by my insurance and then have him humor me for five minutes on the phone. At least I know where I’m at in terms of my bloods and can see any anomalies that may come up. I have been doing follow up visits every four months or so. Its gives me an idea of where I’m at in my recovery (or my imaginary recovery).
Great post! LMFAO on the Endo scenario part.
bump… agreed!
Ahhh a Shippen fan… I forgot to read this.
So you are in a position of judging amongst them two,that Shippen has a wealth of experience and is at least honest…
While the rest are not honest.
So how many have been to Shippen to find their healths corrected??
How much money spent? How many dissapointed??
My next post will be directly addressed to analyzing each and every doctors approach and each and every research that is carried out.
To clear out things and see what the hell we’ve been through for the last years of our lives and how great risk we have been put through with tampering with hormones.
Shippen is honest about the situation, that is all I’m saying. I phoned their office and they told me there was a ‘40% chance of getting better’ through treatment, note getting better not recovery. This seems to be a more truthful assessment than what Crisler and the cheerleaders he has on various forums say.
Given that he has seen so many of us, it follows that he should have at least an idea of what works and what doesn’t. That on top of his generally well earned reputation as a male hormone replacement specialist.
If you have low T and attendant hypogonadal symptoms it at least makes sense to try some form of testosterone replacement. There is a perfectly good rationale in trying it out. That it doesn’t seem to work at all for most guys is perhaps the main hallmark of our problem. At least we as a community have learned from this trial and error. Unlike your prostate garbage which hardly explains rapid muscle loss, mental side effects etc etc.
a 40%??
Why not 52.3 %?
So how many has Shippen seen till today?
One hundred patients ? Two hundred?
That is nothing in front of the several hundreds hertoghe has seen.
And one thing more, He uses finasteride too u know, Hertoghe does on a regular basis.
And he reckons that as a finasteride user he has to take big doses of Testosterone to keep his erections on and his penis from not developing Peyrone’s disease.
But he told me, in his own plain words. “I don’t have prostatitis thats why it works. He was the one who did the ultrasensitive CRP test on me, and then the Digital Rectal exam the second time i visited him to confirm that i have the inflammation in my gland”
Then after he saw that on high doses of testosterone my sexual functions where not good and my 5-ar II only increased marginally he pointed out that nothing can be done because there is this inflammation on my body.
And that is where treating the prostatitis came along.
So, in plain words Shippen for me is a fraud, and for the ones who know better definately, he gives testosterone to people who are hypogonadal but, as a MEN’s doctor, does he check for prostate inflammation before hand???
Does he check for hypoadrenia either?
I guess not from the testimonies i ve read. So he gives a highly metabolizing hormone to people unchecked for inflammation and adrenal cortical reserves. This can badly affect your health but who cares… As long as money flows…
So Hertoghe is more experienced and he has seen more and he knows the basics of endocrine medicine at least. First check adrenals, then for presence of inflammation and finally give out hormones.
Well you see how easy it is to scam people who don’t know about medicine?
Ah… there you go, Crisler don’t even know how to test someone for adrenal reserves.
I remember correctly then and this is happening since the early findings of this drugs side effects…
I remember i was going back and forth with him in forums about the value of a saliva test in regards to adrenal function both dhea x 2 and cortisol x 4.
Wow i start remembering things now clearer
lol Hertoghe has seen hundreds? I doubt he’s seen twenty.
And don’t push the idea I am some sort of Shippen disciple, I am merely saying that he has been treating this since 2000 or before and undoubtedly has the most experience. He is also willing to try experimental treatments like very high dose trt, the success of which or lack of shed more light on our problems.
Hertoghe thinks taking testosterone alleviates any fin sides, try telling that to awor and Whalen72 who were both on TRT while taking fin.
Hundred’s on his word. Last email to me, “i have a reputation of solving complex issues like this” and he doesn’t JUST think that testo works whilst on finasteride.
HE USES FINASTERIDE DAILY FOR 10 YEARS AND ALSO USES TESTOSTERONE EXTRA DOSES TO COMBAT THE PEYRONES DISEASE AND THE LOW SEX SYMPTOMS FROM FINASTERIDE.
He also told me that i should jump back to finasteride to get my hair straightened out since i was using testosterone.
But offcourse he said he doesn’t have inflammation so testosterone works.