Are our Kidneys part of the problem?

General Discussion
#1

The Kidneys are responsible for removing waste from our bodies including drugs. Why are they unable to remove this drug from our bodies.

Also many here have linked Adrenal Fatigue to us sufferers and the Adrenals are located above the kidneys. Is there a connection between the Kidney’s not working and adrenal fatque in many of us?

The kidneys are powerful chemical factories that perform the following functions:

remove waste products from the body
remove drugs form the body
balance the body’s fluids
release hormones that regulate blood pressure
produce an active form of vitamin D that promotes strong, healthy bones
control the production of red blood cellsow does the body’s natural detox system work?

The good news is that your body has its own natural detoxifying process that works quite well. The liver and kidneys do a good job of processing chemicals and eliminating them in sweat, urine, and feces.

For example, the colon’s natural bacteria detoxify food wastes and its mucus membranes prevent bacteria and toxins from reentering the body. The liver combines its own chemicals with other chemicals, making water-soluble compounds that your kidneys can excrete in urine.

kidney.org/kidneydisease/howkidneyswrk.cfm

#2

I think the answer is yes, both the liver and kidneys are affected. But the question is how to repair it? The drug that hurt us was not eliminated properly while we were taking it and damaged the system that eliminates it IMO…

#3

The drug is out of our systems. It was the ACTION of the drug within the body that caused the lasting damage. Nothing more. The drug changed us on a molecular level and affected many tightly controled systems within us.

#4

Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I agree that the drug is out of our bodies and it damaged us on multiple levels.

A connection that came to me in the gym today is the liver and storage of glucose. The liver stores the majority of what becomes blood sugar in the body. However since taking fin this seems to be greatly reduced. In addition, caffeine, which causes release of glucose, just like stress, giving immediate energy, has a VERY short term effect maybe because the stores are no longer there. In my case at least.

One more point. Fin crossed the blood/brain barrier. Yet it’s metabolized in the liver. How have we eliminated the Fin that crossed the blood/brain barrier from our systems if it’s metabolized in the already damaged liver? Isn’t the pituitary gland in the brain?

#5

I don’t believe our damage has anything to do with the “improper” elimination of the drug from our bodies whatsoever.

The extremely extensive cleansing that I’ve gone through is a testament to that If it simply was a matter of elimination, I would have been back to 100% by now. I’ve fasted down to 163lbs at my lowest and I’m 6’4" and usually walk around at 200+lbs. The drug is long gone, but the damage remains.

#6

it’s my understanding that the blood/brain barrier doesn’t work like the rest of the body. It prevents passage of many things. Which is why it is said that taking precursors to certain things have affect in the brain that the direct substance does not, because the precursor can pass the blood/brain barrier and the direct substance can’t.

I’m not an expert on this, just posing a question. CD you seem to be convinced there is none of this drug left in your system. What if it bound to a certain area in the brain and we are unable to cleanse it due to the blood/brain barrier preventing us?

#7

Because Martin, it just doesn’t work that way. I can’t get into the whole discussion of what happens physiologically to someone when they fast and go on a raw diet, nor do I want to. The drug goes into the system, gets metabolized, exerts it’s action on the body, the resulting action is the cause of our dysfunction, that’s it. Depending on your gene pool, you will be permanently damaged, or not.

If you would have seen what i went through with these fasts, and how much I cleansed and how pure I got myself, only to still feel that numb spot in my head where a tingle used to be. A tingle that starts the cascade of events which lead to an erection and arousal. That spot is damaged, if not destroyed from androgen and neurosteroid deprivation.

Another thing of note, the body is not going to hold on to something that is toxic when in a fasting state. If something got passed the BBB, it can get out through the BBB. This is it’s opportunity to “clean house.” So even if things did work like that, after two, three week fasts followed up by raw food, you would not have anything left in your system that didn’t belong there. My first fast I got almost skeletal. Not one stitch of fat on my body. There is no drug left in my system. None at all. Just damage.

#8

I’m not disagreeing with your methods or what you’ve gone through. But you did not address the question or problem of the BLOOD/BRAIN BARRIER.

I have had this feeling in the head too, in the brain, where it feels like blood flow has been shut off. To varying degrees, I’ve even had it before I started drinking or took Fin.

I don’t mean to argue but please address the question. Fasting and feeling emaciated from it does not prove that Fin is out of your brain.

#9

The blood brain barrier is a barrier. Certain hydrophobic substances can pass it. Hydrophobic just means fat-soluble. Inside the cells still have basic similarities to cells outside of it. Now, finasteride is metabolized by CYP450 which is an enzyme family which is expressed in most tissues of the body. So even within the barrier it will get metabolized and excreted. Lots of substances pass the blood/brain barrier with alcohol being the most consumed. It still gets metabolized and excreted. So I doubt that fin permanently bound itself somehow in the brain. It is not a heavy metal that can permanently get incorporated into structures of cells.

#10

Thanks, that is helpful.

#11

Yes, I did, in my last post…

#12

Does fasting eliminate gall stones? I’m not making a statement, just asking a question. If it doesn’t, it is possible to still have propecia in our systems. Perhaps you’ve already done a liver cleanse? Gall Stones, which are primarily in the liver, are nothing more than toxins, sometimes mixed with cholesterol. They don’t come out by themselves, you have to get them out, and keep “flushing” your liver until they are all out.

Judging from how serious our reactions were to this poison, it’s not impossible to think our livers were smart enough to grab onto it as such. Probably not the ultimate cure, but a liver flush is extremely benefical to anyone.

I will also say Cd that all the cleansing must have helped because you seem to be doing better than most. :slight_smile: Whether it was this or that, bottom line is it seemed to help.