Apparent Fibrosis/atrophy due to reduction in elasticity of penis?

Can i please preface this by saying this is just a theory/idea that I’m considering for myself.

My penis had pain for the first time EIGHT months after stopping finasteride. Ever since (its now a year) i’ve had a noticable reduction in girth and still get dull pain. Fibrosis. The tissue is different i can bend my flacid penis without effort, there’s a huge change.

I’ve got top range testosterone levels and DHT levels but yet since going off finasteride ive had weak erections and low libido. Why? Seemingly due to skyhigh estrogen levels and high SHBG levels. Atleast to my mind that is the reason (we’ll see for sure when i get them down). My erections have varied from 50% to 80% over the past 8 months with much lesser occurance and strength (obviously). No throbbing erections thats for sure.

Anyway, i never had a crash just a slow decline. This is why im not convinced about androgen resistence - atleast as a main cause anyway. Also, since i had good days and bad days this doesn’t really bode with the idea of AR, either.

So i spoke with a top male hormone doctor this week at length and i explained about my penile atrophy as per above. He said right away this was likely due to reduced elasticity of the penis. If you “dont use it, you lose it” he said. Obviously that doesn’t require being sexually active or even masturbating, what it means is, if your body literally isn’t having the strong erections (say at night where you supposedly have 6-7 erections per night when you’re normal) like it should be, then you literally aren’t “using” a good proportion of the cells in the penis like you normally would. Consequently, the blood isn’t fully circulating in the penis, the nitric oxide isn’t getting aroud and ultimately the cells in the penis are being starved of the oxeygination that they require. Over time this will, and i believe HAS in my case, reduce the elasticity of the penis.

Apparently mens’ penis’ naturally lose elasticity over time. This is why some people use penis pumps which help as it ensures these neglected cells are being stimulated and made feel like they are wanted. Really though, look it up. It seems that the most noticable gains are girth. Don’t think that’s a coincidence either. I don’t know how well penis pumps do their job (if at all though) so im not endorsing them (although i would be interested to hear of some experiences…)

Anyway,

Bear in mind im only theorising here (but with an element of application from good information) - I really believe some of us have had gradual penile shrinkage for this reason. It does seem logical. It probably isn’t just that simply but could certainly be a compounding factor.

The one drawback of this, I suppose, is that, why do people with ED generally not get this? One of my answers would be because many don’t actually have a physical problem and therefore at night time they have their full nocturnal erections to sustain the penis’ full form. As for guys with legitimate hormonal problems, i guess I don’t know. I do realise this “loss of girth” thing isn’t restricted just to finasteride though so maybe it’s not as unique as we think its just that finasteride causes so much physical ED that this comes about more frequently.

I’m open to people’s opinions here. But I will again add the basis of this has come from a top male hormone endochronologist so it is likely to have some merit.

Personally in my view, i hope this is the case as it’d make sense to me on a few levels and it would give me hope that when i restore my erections that i’ll come back to normal size. Will keep you guys updated on how i fare out.

Peace.

One thing I would ask is, why no libido then? Sure if the penis is having problems expanding you should still have a libido regardless…This may be a problem going forward long-term, but its not the root cause.

This may sound crazy, but I am being serious, I have had tissue changes that fluctuate. At times my skin will get kind of wrinkly I guess you could say, and at other times it will be normal… THe problem is that ive been stuck in this state for almost 2 years now, and have began to forget what my penis actually felt like when it was normal. Sensitivity is a problem from time to time as well, because that also fluctuates and one thing I have noticed is that it gets better throughout the day kind of like… um people with adrenal issues have :wink:

However is it possible that the lack of blood starvation to the penis causing the problem of the brain not being connected to the penis? In my brain id like to fuck every hot chick that I walk past, but my penis does not give a care. Why all the mental side effects as well? Why do some ppl get cured after 8 years? Those are questions that I would think debunk his/your theory, though I will not call you an idiot for presenting it like “some people”, because I believe its good for the community at large to brain storm.

I realize all of this is kind of thrown together, so bare with me for a moment… I know of a few ppl who took viagra and they were CONVINCED that it had cured them… The person I am talking about suffered from side effects for a year before he decided to take Viagra for a week. After the week was up he had no need for it… Now I know plenty of ppl on this forum and used and tried it…With myself It works really well for me. It gets my erections to about 95%, when they usually are only at 80%…However, some people have said that its affects wane after a while… Which is interesting to me… no idea why though… Of course im not saying viagra is a cure by any means, just simply telling you something you may have not known…

Even what the doc was saying about your tissues being damaged, it doesnt say anything about why youre in that state in the first place… Its a mere side effect not the root cause. I can’t make the connection between our (you and I) poor adrenal function and this theory… I dont see how they connect…anyways… that’s just my two cents…

         -B

Libido is nothing to do with this theory. This theory is about penile atrophy.

As you say, it doesn’t say anything about the state itself. It’s just a theory on WHY my penis girth has reduced. The lack of erections etc is another matter but this theory basically implies that the penis atrophy is an issue that has developed AS A RESULT of weak erections etc which was developed due to completely different root causes.

I don’t know how true or untrue it is anyway.

Are you talking about when erect or soft? I’m assuming this didnt happen overnight? I believe there are ppl on this forum that have had reduced girth almost over night… which I guess would put a damper on the theory…Which begs the question, Can a sudden change in your hormonal balance cause such a thing overnight? It seems crazy… Which leads me to believe the prostate may be involved somehow…

Mine happened gradually.

But yeah some people have had it over night.

Although that is obviously physically impossible. Such a sudden change is more so attributable to the body’s nervous system being up the left. When you die your penis shrinks almost instantly apparently.

Interesting link:

eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=102065

Basically guys trying to femanize and shrink their penises. Some are reports rapid shrinkage (“sucessful”) using estrogen and anti-androgens.

This proves that penile shrinkage is real and can come from such distortion of hormones. I know this is extreme examples but even with those guys (pun not intended) results seem to vary widely thus showing that everyone has different sensitivty to changing levels of androgens and estrogens.

Makes sense because you have high E… id be willing to bet that mine is not high, but probably slighlty elevated because i have no shrinkage problem.

"Hi everybody, some news since my last post ; 8 months ago, 2 months ago, i decided to try hormones in order to see if it was working on me !!!

And it works… very well !!! I tried after reading all the board, to buy for 2 months of Androcure, Estraderm and Provera, and taking each day:
100mg per day of androcure the first month, and after, 75 mg
5 mg of provera
50µg patch of estraderm

I went to 21 cm (8.3 inch) to 17 cm (6.7 inch) in two month, and it’s very hard to get and erection, and i’m so happy cause i don’t have morning erection anymore !!! i can’t believe it happened so fast !!!
However, even with estraderm, no sign of breast (it wouldn’t be a problem for me)"

No disrespect to them, but there are some crazy guys over on the eunech forum. It’s also pretty mind boggling how a lot of them can take propecia as well as all sorts of other drugs and recover when they don’t even want to!

funny how they have to do all that just to not get one, and we cant get them if tried. sad…