It looks to me that fasting has an impressive track record on here…
CDnuts doesn’t post anymore and attributed huge benefits/ symptom remission to fasting
BrainFongBoy made miraculous improvements from a 7 day fast recently
So, is there anyone on here who has fasted for more than 7 days and not felt any better?
Not to correct you, but just so that we have the record straight for scientific purposes, mine was a 14 day water fast.
14 days water fast was my first fasting (november 2011)
7 days water fast- a second one (january 2012.)
Today I ended my 3rd course- 5 days of fasting.
I will tell more about it, when I complete my investigations of auto-immune role in this disease.
Laters,
Desperado.
I tried water fasting 3 different times (4-6 days each) and raw food for 60 days. I got all the nice glow and healthful look of a heroine addict.
your body has 1 trillion cells…fasting is not going to help believe me, you have to feed it,however with the right stuff, not chemicals and processed food.
Blue cloud asked if you have fasted and not experienced benefits, not your opinion on whether fasting is beneficial.
i didnt fast because i wanted to, i was just to tired and didnt bother to eat for a few days, and no i didnt feel any benefits martim, why do you have to be such an ass, seriously get a life. i only started to feel benefits after starting to eat healthy and autohemotherapy.
Post fact-based information, not “believe me” information, and you won’t have a problem. There’s a difference between “fasting is bad, believe me” and “I fasted for a couple of days and did not get improvements from it”. The first is useless, the second answers the question posed at the beginning of this thread.
That was totally rude. Out of all the flame wars going on here, you single out that innocuous comment.
SA - bluecloud specifically asked for member experiences with fasting for more than 7 days, not their opinions on it. Braziliandude has not done this, he merely offered his opinion on why no one should fast and offered nothing as evidence. We need to stay focused as a community to move forward. Given this, stop trolling. You have played a part in a good % of recent discord on this site. Arrange or complete one of the projects you’ve already taken initiative on instead.
I agree with what Martin is saying, if you want to keep the integrity of the board you have to stick to facts. I have nothing against Brazilliandude but what he said is based nothing on the facts of fasting but rather just what his opinion is on it which gives fasting a bad name when it may not deserve one. The huge benefits of water fasting are well documented and have scientific grounding to it. Also, going on a three day water fast will of course only leave you tired and hungry, this is expected for the first three days as documented by water fasting studies. The fast would need to be at least 7 days and depending on how bad you are it could take longer.
In any case I’ll be curious to see what despos results are when he replies to the thread, from what I’ve read a 5 day water fast could only have minor results but we’ll see.
BrongFogBoy,
how much have you recovered (approx. %) through your water fast? Thanks for your update.
"Hey man, I did a 7-day water fast not long ago (about three weeks ago). I planned on reporting about the whole thing in my member story and I still will, but to sum it up, here’s how it went: I started doing 10-day a water fast because my gf was heading out of town so I thought it was the ideal time to do it. Unfortunately, I get paid to play soccer and injuries to my team meant that I was required to stop my original fast two days in and played a game. I then restarted my fast that very day.
I had no problems managing the fast. I just drank water (most of it filtered) and took no meds, vitamins, or anything. I never had stomach cramps but I did feel lightheaded AT TIMES - mainly when standing up quickly. I had what we call here in Australia as 3.30itis, where I’d really feel tired at about 3.30, but this would usually hit me anyway in my normal life. It was slightly different, tho. I’d get home from work and would feel like sleeping, but it wasn’t like I was tired or about to pass out, I just felt content and peaceful, but to the point where I would have a short nap. I did indeed work during the fast and I actually encourage anyone else who doesn’t have a really physical job to continue working, because it took my mind off food. I was able to focus on work. After the initial 3-day “I WANT FOOD” section of the fast, I didn’t really care about food and was happy to watch people eat while feeling no real drive for eating myself. Sometimes, out of habit, I would go to the fridge or something, and this was probably the worst thing for me - the barrier that I had to deal with that I was not allowed to do things that I wanted to do - namely eating. But I slowly came to terms with it.
I was planning on going a full ten days but the stop-start probably hindered that a bit. I really started losing weight and I definitely lost some muscle mass. There are some reasons for this. I restarted the fast on a day that I played a 90min game of soccer and so my body probably turned to my protein/muscle stores at this time. I also appeared at the final of my oztag (an Australian sport) final expecting to simply watch, but when I rocked up a few players were late so I had to fill in for a few minutes - this was tough and I regret doing it. I also went for a skate with some of my friends a couple of times, and this was more taxing on my body than I realised in the past. I’m sure that if I had not taken part in these kinds of things, I would have lost LESS muscle. But in terms of body fat, I lost a lot - I ended up going from around 10% body fat to less than 5% in seven days. I had abs to die for haha.
Now for the benefits:
-My blood pressure dropped and has stayed closer to the ‘normal’ range than in the past.
-After day two of returning to food, I’ve had morning erections every day since and I also have had more spontaneous erections than a couple of months ago.
-Size seems to have improved and I’d say is normal when flaccid, but still not quite there when hard.
-My mind is definitely clearer. Definitely. I have been focused at work. I don’t feel depressed anymore. I used to be particularly unstable and emotional about things in my personal life, especially in my relationship. Now I feel cool, calm, and relaxed, and I’m not coming off as ‘needy’ to my gf anymore - which has oddly swung the power of the relationship back over to me (as weird as it might be to think that way), like she does the chasing now whereas it was quite the opposite before.
I still am not 100% and I still require viagra/cialis to keep hard. I have no problem getting an erection without it, but I still have problems keeping them. Also, as much as my mood has improved, it’s not back to normal just yet. I used to be cocky and funny but, while I feel a lot better now, I’m not there yet. Interestingly, I’ve been a little sharper with my humour and seem to be less ‘bitter’.
I’m planning on doing another water fast at the end of my soccer season (which is not until September). I want to go for up to two weeks. My body would surely not handle much longer than that as I have such a low body fat percentage to begin with."
Another user with profound benefits from fasting. That is it, I am going to have to find a way of doing this!
I can’t understand why everyone on this forum isn’t trying a fast?
Find a way? Just don’t eat for a few days seems pretty simple… buy some energy pills and have at it if you feel tired, which you will.
Might try it myself, but its not a genuine cure even if you see some benefits. Many people on here have seen some improvements from their own self promoted therapies and few have ever actually have seen a full recovery from any of them. Thats why some people are being catious about hoping onboard. It would be different if 4 or 5 guys logged on and said this completely and totally cured all of their side effects and they feel like brand new men.
Yeah, let’s not even bother with any treatments unless they have brought about a full recovery. Especially if they cost nothing and are of benefit to your general health anyway. We are in a great situation right now, there is no need to pursue things that have helped others and try to narrow down the best experimental PFS treatments.
WHAT THE FUCK!?
WOW…
I would be over the moon with even minor sustained improvements from something that costs NOTHING and just takes a little discipline. It is absolutely absurd to write off a ‘treatment’ just because nobody has fully recovered using it. There will never be any treatment that guarantees recovery, if that’s what people are waiting for then they may as well end it now.
Energy pills? Is that a joke? why would you put your body through a fast for health benefits and potentially ruin it by consuming some pills full of shit that is no good for you? fasting + caffeine alone sounds like a horrible combination to me.
It does not matter if don’t recover fasting. Like any treatment that I read about on this forum, I look at how many people have tried it and how many people have experienced benefits and then hope for the best. It is not rocket science.
4/4 people have experienced sustained benefits from fasting. It is FREE and it is good for your general health in many ways. So what exactly is there to be ‘cautious’ about? please enlighten me
In reply to what else you said. It’s not so simple for me to do a lengthy fast. I live under my family’s roof and they will alarmed if I suddenly start rejecting food. I will definitely be able to do it in the future when I am more independent.
I did about 36 hours or so 2 weeks ago and felt benefits after 24 hours. Morning erection, erotic dream, high energy levels and pleasant brain clarity. In fact, I felt incredible right towards the end. Then I really had to eat as I was visiting family members that I have not seen for many years.
Well I wasnt criticizing you I was merely stating what appears to be the truth but…
How exactly do you know that? I didn’t know you were a 22 year old multi-PHD on the cutting end of androgen deprevation research, you don’t know if there will never be a cure, I should have stopped reading right there. Thats like someone in 1950 saying there will never be a for sure fix for Polio… 2 years before they found a vaccine. Enough with this gloom and doom, there is research going on now and causation for this condition will be eventually found, and then after that treatments and cures can be formulated.
Oh yes caffinee is deadly. That is why it is the most consumed drug on the planet, and has beneficial cognitive effects if not overused. Honestly I have read some of your stuff do you really know anything about chemistry or biology or do you just assume anything manufactured by human methods is dangerous? You sound like a hippy naturalistic “healer”, or one of those nut jobs that tries to cure cancer with garden grown herbs. Do you never take asprin as well when you have a headache? We have guys on here smoking pot, snorting coke and taking MDMA to help themselves and your flipping on me because I mention caffinee? Think about that.
That wasn’t the point, the point was that so many pointless ideas are thrown around on here that many people, at least the half-way intelligent ones are skeptical abouting hoping on to the next treatment bandwagon that comes through every 6 months or so, its the same story every single time. Half a dozen or so guys (even less in this case) see benefits from doing some “treatment” and try to convince everyone of its merits. Yes its safe, short term. Long term you can fuck yourself up, more than a month is not healthy. Some of the guys on here self admitted they lost muscle just from a 3-4 days of fasting.
Your 22 and you cant logically explain to your family that you have this problem and are going to try something to fix it? Most 22 year olds are living on their own, they don’t trust you enough with your own well being to plan your food intake? I would expect that for maybe a child. Then again I don’t know what sort of ethnic/religious/social background you come from so it might be from that. Either way, if you are truly a believer that this will help you in some way, you should be able to find a way to do it somehow, if you can handle being deceptive, but maybe your too naive for that.
For some people who have to have energy to work, 3-7 days of not eating might not be reasonable, it can make you sluggish at times. I was only trying to explain a possible reason people are not diving into this idea head-first. But hell I’m willing to give it a try for maybe 3-5 days if anything just to cut a few extra pounds. Is it worth trying to help yourself? Yeah maybe, time will tell.
“How exactly do you know that? I didn’t know you were a 22 year old multi-PHD on the cutting end of androgen deprevation research, you don’t know if there will never be a cure, I should have stopped reading right there. Thats like someone in 1950 saying there will never be a for sure fix for Polio… 2 years before they found a vaccine. Enough with this gloom and doom, there is research going on now and causation for this condition will be eventually found, and then after that treatments and cures can be formulated.”
Ha ha. I can’t believe you even made this comparison.
"Oh yes caffinee is deadly. That is why it is the most consumed drug on the planet, and has beneficial cognitive effects if not overused. Honestly I have read some of your stuff do you really know anything about chemistry or biology or do you just assume anything manufactured by human methods is dangerous? You sound like a hippy naturalistic “healer”, or one of those nut jobs that tries to cure cancer with garden grown herbs. Do you never take asprin as well when you have a headache? We have guys on here smoking pot, snorting coke and taking MDMA to help themselves and your flipping on me because I mention caffinee? Think about that."
I never said that caffeine was deadly. I said that taking caffeine ‘pills’ was a ridiculous idea when fasting. Which, it is. I have taken MDMA, Coke, Smoked plenty of pot, Finasteride, Dutasteride and would you believe it CAFFEINE all since PFS. I think you’re actually referring to me.
“That wasn’t the point, the point was that so many pointless ideas are thrown around on here that many people, at least the half-way intelligent ones are skeptical abouting hoping on to the next treatment bandwagon that comes through every 6 months or so, its the same story every single time. Half a dozen or so guys (even less in this case) see benefits from doing some “treatment” and try to convince everyone of its merits. Yes its safe, short term. Long term you can fuck yourself up, more than a month is not healthy. Some of the guys on here self admitted they lost muscle just from a 3-4 days of fasting.”
Fair point. There are indeed a lot of natural ‘cures’ popping up and none have lead to complete recovery or major improvements that have lasted. I would like to think that fasting is different. It has a very good record on the forum overall and CDnuts; one of the only badly affected PFS sufferers to make major improvements, was preaching the benefits a long time ago. There is no need to take any supplements that may do more harm than good and it’s free.
“Your 22 and you cant logically explain to your family that you have this problem and are going to try something to fix it? Most 22 year olds are living on their own, they don’t trust you enough with your own well being to plan your food intake? I would expect that for maybe a child. Then again I don’t know what sort of ethnic/religious/social background you come from so it might be from that. Either way, if you are truly a believer that this will help you in some way, you should be able to find a way to do it somehow, if you can handle being deceptive, but maybe your too naive for that.”
No I can’t. Like most others on this forum, my family don’t believe me no matter how ‘logical’ my explanation may be. They thought I was losing it the minute I started reading up on the endocrine system, taking supplements and cutting sugar and gluten from my diet. I will be able to fast without offending/ worrying my father and other family/ friends that offer food once my current living situation changes.
Anyway. All talk and no action from me as it stands, so I will report back once I have tried it for myself. I know that you have gone through hell with this illness and that you have done a lot on the media awareness front Broken Pecker. I am sorry if I offended you or came across as being rude.
It’s fine, sorry if I came off as crass. Good luck with the fast.
Hey Bluecloud,
I’m a little confused by one of your last posts.
In one of the previous posts you claimed you did a 7 day fast and saw improvements, but then in this post you say you won’t know until you try it fasting for yourself. I’m just curious what you meant by this last post?