androgen production and metabolism in women

Why have I not seen talk on this. I posted a case of a man taking dhea nd icnreasing his estradiol and reducing his adiolg by half. No one seems to care.

PURPOSE:
To evaluate androgen production and metabolism during controlled ovarian hyperstimulation.

METHODS:
Five women, aged 33-42, were studied. All participants were undergoing controlled ovarian hyperstimulation with gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonist and human menopausal gonadotropins. Serum estradiol, estrone, androstenedione, testosterone, 3 alpha-androstanediol glucuronide, and sex hormone-binding globulin levels were measured at 6 time points during the cycle.

RESULTS:
The levels of all steroids increased significantly from baseline during controlled ovarian hyperstimulation. Mean total testosterone levels increased from 0.29 +/- 0.05 ng/mL to 0.58 +/- 0.07 ng/mL after gonadotropin stimulation. Sex hormone-binding gonadotropin levels increased from 50 +/- 16 nM to 73 +/- 12 nM after gonadotropin stimulation. Estrone/androstenedione and estradiol/testosterone ratios, reflecting the aromatase pathway, increased whereas 3 alpha-androstanediol glucuronide/androstenedione and 3 alpha-androstanediol glucuronide/testosterone ratios, reflecting 5 alpha-reductase activity, decreased.

CONCLUSIONS:
Controlled ovarian hyperstimulation with human menopausal gonadotropins results in increased serum testosterone and androstenedione levels. Whereas there is an enhancement in androgen metabolism by aromatase, 5 alpha-reductase activity with regard to androgen metabolism is diminished.

Can someone else read this study. And add your input it is a little complex because of the many factors.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article … 345279.pdf

Our data are consistent with the enhancement of
the aromatase pathway during controlled ovarian hyperstimulation, whereas the 5®-reductase pathway
was inhibited. This demonstrates that androgens are
preferentially metabolized via the aromatase pathway during controlled ovarian hyperstimulation. Although it is not surprising that the aromatase pathway
predominates, it is interesting that 5®-reductase activity is suppressed with regard to androgen metabolism.
This suggests that the actual conversion of A and T to
DHT is not solely substrate dependent. It is possible
that 5®-reductase activity is modulated by competitive inhibitors, such as progesterone (21). Krieg et al.
(22) investigated 5®-reductase in benign prostatic hyperplasia and found the mean inhibitor constants of
progesterone, E1, and E2, with regard to 5®-reductase
activity, to be 0.11, 15.5, and 5.1, respectively.

We conclude that although androgen levels increase during controlled ovarian hyperstimulation,
androgen metabolism engenders a less androgenic milieu. This is due to increased aromatase activity, and
increased SHBG levels, which decrease free T levels.
By contrast, androgen metabolism by 5®-reductase is
decreased, possibly as a result of the presence of high
levels of other steroids.

Abstract
Both estrogen and testosterone insufficiency has been associated with reduced psychological well-being including fatigue. However, hormonal replacement studies on fatigue are rare. Therefore, we wanted to study the effect of testosterone and estrogen replacement therapy on cognitive fatigue and the relation between sex hormone levels and cognitive fatigue in oophorectomized women. Fifty women with surgically induced menopause (mean age: 54.0 ± 2.9 years) were randomly assigned to treatment with estradiol valerate in combination with testosterone undecanoate or placebo for 24 weeks in a double-blind cross-over study. Neuropsychological tests and questionnaires were used to assess cognitive fatigue and psychological well-being. Cognitive fatigue was significantly associated to poor self-rated health and higher body mass index but not to general psychological well-being or sex hormone levels. Treatment with testosterone + estrogen had no significant effect on cognitive fatigue but the results indicated a curvilinear relation for hormonal levels. The estrogen/testosterone ratio was more related to functions rather than high or low hormone levels per se. We found that cognitive fatigue is frequent in oophorectomized women and negatively associated to self-perceived health and positively associated to BMI. A well-balanced ratio between estrogen and testosterone levels may be important for cognitive fatigue.

This has sort of been my point the whole time, numbers are irrelevant, ratios are everything. Now the question, if you believe our condition is some form of estrogen dominance which I do, what has caused this potentially critical imbalance? You know my answer to this which may explain why there is only temporary benefits from TRT.

My recent bloodwork showed that my DHEA was really high. Like 668 where the top of range is 630 or something. I just didn’t know what that meant and how it relates to my condition and possible treatment.

Of course this is an answer for WHY the effects of TRT are only temporary. I have monitored free E on low does of Test that only gets me mid range in free test. Free E2 and E3 go over range but not free E1.

So the question is which part of the body is producing this E2 and E3. Some say E1 is produced by fat cells.