I crashed 4 days ago. I very bad insomnia, slept 3 hours in total and… BAM! ED, 0 libido, headache, brain fog lvl: max!
when ı crashed, ı slept 2 hours total for 3 days!
yeah what people miss when ‘stress’ is implicated is not the psychological element, but the obvious strain on the adrenals. i wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the origin of our problem, as there’s a very clear relationship given that cortisol is derived from hormones.
that said, plenty on here have said they weren’t in the least bit stressed at the time so perhaps thats bullshit.
this is very interesting.
i’m not sure my probs are connected to pfs or not but i can tell you that I had 2/3 days where I slept 2-3 hours max…and then my sleep was never the same and started suffering from anxiety
maybe it could be interesting to gather more data on the crash, and the days before
Understanding and analyzing the crash will be a major step towards the solution of this shit.
This would certainly help. I see some think the crash is proceeded by a rush of DHT or cortisol. Does anyone know what the PFS docs think about this (Crisler, Shippen, etc.)?
Mine was triggered by extreme stress. Up to that point I had been off Fin for about a month and while I wasn’t normal I was getting better slowly and mostly feeling fine.
I was one year off and I can’t honestly remember how I was anxiety wise but I think I was fine.
I was a bit depressed because my parents were not allowing me to do some things that I wanted to do, that’s what I remember.
Then one day, I was doing a project for university, stayed up until 5am and my neighbour woke me up at 8am with a lot of noise.
Same happened next day and the day after.
For one month I couldn’t sleep more than 4 hours a night and my heart was beating out of my chest when I was going to bed.
I developed FEAR (im not joking) of bedtime.
Who had a similar experience?
ı saw my ex gırl frıend wıth a guy. That day ı was lyıng ın the bed and cryıng. And suddenly i crashed and looked my penise, ıt turned left and emerged veins.
I crashed about a month after I stopped taking propecia.
There was nothing else happening in my life
That would have caused the crash. I just crashed because I
Stopped taking it.
were all the crashes accompanied by hormonal crashes as well?
i think my sexual hormones were pretty normal…but i didnmt really test them at the time
my crash symptoms were synonymous with fluctuations in estrogen. dizziness and vertigo you associate with menopausal women. don’t think that’s particularly common on here though.
I think when 5 alpha reductase is inhibited and all the hormones it creates further down the line are reduced (DHT, allopregnanolone, dihydrocortisol, et cetera) the receptors for those hormones open up really wide to try to detect them and use them. Then when they suddenly come flooding back the receptors are still wide open and are shocked by the flood of hormones and the DNA inside the nucleus of those cells methylates and the receptors totally shut down. So the reduction in hormones sets up the body like a loaded gun against itself and when the hormones fire on it decimates the receptors and changes the gene expression on the DNA. How many of you crashed following an ejaculation? I did. After an ejaculation the body is flooded with hormones like DHT. That could be why there is a crash.
so thats mean , its not curable?
I am afraid this theory is true and there is nothing we can do about it. Only time may fix it. I believe its one of the reasons why trt works for the first week and then suddenly stops. The negative regulation of the receptors jumps in and restores the receptor activity to its downgraded function. I do not believe its total shut down, but rather a reduced activity.
how can finasteride change dna or genetics just one 0.25 mg pill?
Its not the drug itself that makes the damage. It just induces it to people who have predisposition to epigenetic change. Otherwise everyone who takes fin would have pfs.
so you claim some of guys fix their dna mutation with some protocols, hııt, testo boosters?
I dont know if this is old news for you but the timeframe seems to fit in perfectly with that of the crash