Have you got any ideas how to prove something fairly cheaply and easily? Give men or rats finasteride and measure their penis length, ejaculation viscosity and distance before and after? I’m thinking of doing something on my own, so I rather not do anything very invasive.
Awesome looking forward to seeing the results of your ‘studies’…
your going to get a rat to ejaculate? lol
If you give finasteride to another living creature you are a fucking asshole.
you are doing what I have been suggesting. I don’t know if you can do any scientific tests but you can measure some basic things like
1-weight change on fin
2-daily wheel activity
3-reaction to other male/femal rats.
If you make video on daily basis and record every thing that will show some devastating effects for sure. I planned this all myself but due to small house and my kids I had to drop this idea. Anyway I am sure the rat will die any way after taking fin. and if you record this all like: how lazy it gets, no appetite, weight loss, less or no wheel activity and lack of expected natural reaction to other rats that will be a strong evidence against what fin can do to us and may create a strong public reaction/awareness about its damages. I would suggest to post on youtube.
Yes it looks odd to give fin to an animal but if you can save thousand of people’s lives after this, don’t you think it is worth? have you taken fin after watching any video like this?
i have to agree with tim on this one, unless of course the person that it is being given to is MERCK CEO KENNETH FRAZIER or some of his cronies
Do any of you know a way to study the muscle and fibrous tissue content of a penis withouth invasive methods?
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22375859
asiaandro.com/archive/1008-682X/5/33.htm
I just want to prove this stuff so bad, but you can’t take a man’s penis off…
So – ideas?
Does Kenneth Frazier have direct involvement in covering up the dangers of Finasteride ?
How does this relate to the topic?
I’m just wondering if Kenneth Frazier is as evil as people say he is.
Fanneera, I would use any money that you were going to use for your experiment and donate it to the PFS foundation. Unfortunately you probably will never have the adequate resources to do this so it will always remain skeptical in any scientific community. I encourage to continue to theorize, talk about your symptoms to as many doctors as you can find, and grow as much awareness as possible
To be honest, I’m kind of skeptical about their motives. They present themselves as fully motivated doctors, yet they haven’t discovered anything credible also yet. I am faster.
well but to be fair you can’t give a rat the dosis of a grown up man that’s like givin humans a dose of an elephant. instead of 1 mg it would be like 0.1µg and it’s impossible unless you work in a lab. So that’s total bullshit… not to play your idea down but i don’t think you have the possibility to do that.
fanjeera, unfortunately I am frustrated as you but this is going to take a lot of time. Unfortunately all indications are pointing that this is not just hormonal, but a neurological effect via neurosteroids/transmitters that has a cascading effect. It is going to take a lot of money and reasearch.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22375859
asiaandro.com/archive/1008-682X/5/33.htm
Look at these studies and tell me again it’s neurological. And you can find out the bioequivalent dose for rats from these studies too: it’s 4,5 mg/kg/day. Of course I was thinking of doing this in a lab, but unfortunately I don’t have the money to buy enough rats.
ok but we just took 1mg daily , so 4.5 mg/kg/day means for an average male person of 75 kilos this would be 4.5 x75kg =337.5 mg daily for a men or do you mean 4.5 / 75 = 0.06 mg daily ? if it is the first case the study would be useless because nobody took such a high intake, don’t get me wrong I’m also desperate but you have to be objective . or did I miscalculate something. please let me know
I didn’t want to be harsh I just want to comprehend the values/study .
Rat metabolism is alot faster, so you have to give them more. I was even able to find a study about the metabolism of finasteride in rats. The same topic just came up in another forum too, lol. The rats actually recieved 1,1–1,6 mg finasteride in the studies. And the drop in DHT was only 50%, not 70% like in humans, so the dose might have been too small actually. The study is made for studying us, not rats, so they’re doing their best to calculate the equivalent dose.
jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/2 … 6.full.pdf – finasteride half life is only 1 HOUR.
Ah, thanks a lot I didn’t know that but it seems to be plausible to the fact that their heart rate is a lot faster and they develope diseases like cancer quite fast.