what do u think about this Guy?

General Discussion
#1

I am of the belief 50% or more of our problem is related to low TT.since 5AR inhibitor cause TT to go high, that high TT and high E2 might have brought our LH and FSH down. We need to corret this.
Some of us have done PCT half heartedly or once. Oneday is the only one to do in detail but We don’t where he is now and how he is doing. I am trying my best to do this cycle but Dr does not agree here in Canada.

what do u people think about this guy.

forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-hea … post716308

am brand new on here guys but I have been studying Low T for sometime. I found out I have low t when I was 20 years old due to AIH ( Androgen induced Hypogonad…). I was really depressed about having to supplement Test for a lifetime so I found a sweet Endo and searched the internet for days. Whether you have androgen induced Hypo or not, I have found a treatment that can naturally bring back your test production. Dr. Scally nailed it on the head, he is all about resetting your natural production. I used AAS when I was 18 and suffered with low T for 2 years and now I feel great after this regime:

12 weeks of 100mg Test Cyp once a week. ( this will bring the T levels to a healthy level with some monitoring)

After 12 weeks: Start all of these at the same time

HCG 2500 iu Every other for 16 days
20 mg Nolvadex once a day for 45 days
50 mg Clomid twice a day every 12 hours for 45 days.

Then take a month off and repeat the whole process one more time.

My T levels went from 150 total and they are now stable at 650 total. Thanks Dr. Scally.

If you have any other questions please feel free to ask and I can provide you with more info and publications.

#2

I did that exact protocol and it did not work.

we do not have anabolic steroid induced issues and need to stop thinking as such.

Also: moving this to general as this is not a finasteride recovery.

#3

Isnt this basically what the endo docs try on us?

#4

Yes,

Infact i presented this protocol to mine, we did it, and it did not work. In addition, there are various other people on here with sustained high levels of androgens, yet they remain effected. It is a breakdown in the chain of how androgens work, or some other cofactor, or an epigenetic issue. It is not as simple as “we have low t”

#5

how many times did u do that? it did work with Oneday though. He says he had to repeat it.

#6

last time i had checked it did not fully work and he was on sustain alpha

#7

Maybe b/c after he got his T-level back he had started again caring for his hair and was using some shampoes and other stuff for that purpose.

#8

maybe? but those are shampoos - not fin. It never really fully worked for him. Again, we did not use steroids, and it is unlikely the issue. If you want to attempt this protocol - please do so - as it is clearly laid out in black and white and written by a doctor - but it has failed for 99% of the other fin users who have tried it and i (personally) believe it is unwise to continue focusing anymore of your time on “protocols” that have rescued androgen abusers as they simply have a different type of situation for different reasons.

For more proof of such, i emailed this Dr. Scally himself who said “i cannot help you” and then sent me a link to this site directly to irwigs study.

#9

ok golf I got ur point that fin users have normal T level and have issues but the number of hypogonadal is higher than norm T level users. Also what small balls, low FSH ,LH and low TT is telling. All fin users are not the same. Only JN, Fanjeera , Awor and whalen etc are the onee who have problems despite high or normal T level. on the other hand ,I don’t remember names exactly some users here went on TRT and felt better for example “forty” or something like that. I dont say brininging T to normal level must resolve issues but might be first step.

sps

#10

A lot of us with very low T are definitely suffering but there are others with even subrange T whose only symptoms are loss of libido. The user 40 got only a brief benefit from TRT I recall. There was a guy on meso who took fin and had awful fatigue, no libido and got better via TRT but he seems an exception.

I haven’t given up on different forms of TRT but clearly what we are suffering, those of us who crashed, is severe symptoms of ANDROGEN DEPRIVATION. This is probably due to some sort of androgen resistance. Some steroid users have ultra low T levels after cycles but don’t have the awful range of symptoms we have.

sps, you need to look at SYMPTOMS not numbers.

#11

Lucfas, agreed what u r saying. what I am trying to say,say user X used fin for 3 days and became hypo gonadal and user y used fin for 5 years and then got symptoms. now maybe user X has 20%androgen problem+80% low TT related problems while user Y might have 80% androgen problem+20 low TT problem.
Anyway what we are having and what not the problem is we need a cure. I am fed up.

sps

#12

Join the club.

#13

Hi Golf
if u could answer me following I will appreciate. I dont want to argue about whether our problem is T related or not.

what is ur current TT? what was pre-HCG+nolva cycle?
how long did u do this HCG+Nolvadex cycle?
what was ur dosage?
what was difference pre and post treatemnt?
did u or do u have ball shrinkage?
did HCG change size if did , did the size retain

thanx