This medicine sure wastes little time...

your first post said that people derive the best results from paleo, as if you think raw food diet wouldn’t be as good, then you say that the difference of consuming legumes, grains, and dairy are “significant” to affect someone with PFS in a negative way. this is not true.

the dairy and grain aspect aren’t the BIG parts of the diet, as in they can be at most 10%, usually much less. next, legumes can cause bloating problems for EVERYONE, this isn’t some PFS specific issue that you are referring to. and PLEASE link me to someone that has consumed a raw product approved dairy product or whole grains that are gluten free who had issues with them on this forum. the point is that their consumption in such minimal amounts would cause any “significant” problems as most of the diet is vegetables and fruit and i doubt “significant” problems wouldn’t be caused by raw dairy or whole grains in minimal amounts like in raw food diet. don’t give me links to people who eat wonder bread and a half gallon of milk from the store as this isn’t raw food approved.

and i have actually done both diets and i think you are just reading stuff on the internet and copying/pasting it since i bring personal experience with this diet and your referring to simplypaleo.com… which I could come in and say paleo is bad because of the high cholesterol and fat content, which is why i say the combination is good.

and my “half-baked” personal opinions on the varicocele are actually straight from fact because when i eat chicken, it returns. martin, i am posting things from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, not copying and pasting a bunch of information off the internet like you who doesn’t even fundamentally understand WHY the paleo diet is good for us, its for the ability to ease the digestive system from stress, which is why the raw food diet AND the paleo diet are both really good for us. and yeah paleo has the THEORY that since we only really need high fat/cholesterol based on diets of our ancestors, but its a FACT that the raw food you consume contain the digestive enzymes to ease the digestive system.

Well, it’s been a while. Over 20 months to be exact. A little update might be in order.

So, like you good people here said, things did go back to normal or at least what I will call “good” fairly quickly. There was a small crash but I recovered from that and soonafter I… I don’t actually remember that well anymore. That probably tells you that things were pretty good because I can’t remember any details, just that things got better from where I was immediately after quitting Finasteride.

Like many panicking posters here I stopped posting after things were better again. I became one of those guys that never post again.

So it’s been over 20 months since I quit Propecia after experiencing those side effects.

Unfortunately another disaster struck me soonafter in the spring of 2012 and I had to resort to using an SSRI. This had absoutely nothing to do with my hair loss in any way, completely unrelated, but nevertheless it happened and so I used Escitalopram or whatever it’s called for a year. As we know these drugs tend to lower libido too and that did happen indeed, so what I’m about to tell you can’t probably be blamed 100% on Propecia.

The catch is that the SSRI’s worked fine, I quit them three months ago and have had no reason to get back on them since then. In other words I’m using no medication of any kind at the moment anymore. As far as hair loss goes, I just shave my head. Sucks and I would rather have a full head of hair, but I’ve gotten used to it.

Here’s the thing:

My libido is nowhere near what it was before I took Propecia for those two days in October 2011. Yes, I did take an SSRI for a year, but I quit three months ago and after getting off them sex drive is supposed to return quickly. Long-term side effects are very rare on those drugs (like genuinely very rare, not Propecia “very rare”).

Beautiful women are nice to look at. Very stunning ones even get something going in my pants, but the erection stops like halfway about 70% of the time. It’s not ED, it just isn’t as exciting as it was before all of this. Talking to women and having a good time is not as strong of an urge as it was before. It’s not as big of a pleasure anymore. It’s like talking to any other strangers - fun, but nothing more to it.

Going to a bar with friends, I see pretty girls. I do feel like I should talk to them and if that works I have a desire to do the deed, but it’s just… there is something missing emotionally and mentally, really badly.

It doesn’t help that I am quite the ugly duckling and don’t have many contacts with women anyhow, so I don’t have anyone to think about all the time. Nevertheless I never ever think of sex randomly. There are absolutely no spontaneous erections without seeing a nice looking girl. No morning wood, ever.

It doesn’t bother me that much since everything else is well and in every other sector my life is as if I never took a single pill of Propecia (or an SSRI for that matter) to begin with. It’s only when I read about sex somewhere or see couples kissing or whatever that I realize that my sexuality is significantly diminished (it’s also the only time that I remember that I even used Propecia). To the point that I almost never think about this fact! I do masturbate often, but that’s probably more of a habit than genuine urge at most times. For what it’s worth getting an erection isn’t hard but mentally it just isn’t very satisfying.

So there it is. Maybe the SSRI still has a slight effect, but I don’t think so. I quit three months ago. SSRI’s subdue your feelings and make you feel “numb” emotionally. I had that and my feelings were back two weeks after quitting. You’d think my sex drive would have come back already too if the SSRI were the culprit. I am almost certain it’s still the aftermath of Propecia even after this year and a half that is affecting my sexuality.

Some drug they have there : )

It has now been just about five years since I tried out Propecia. It was for the first few days of October 2011 that I decided to try out my luck with the drug since I was so determined to not lose my hair. As you can see from my posts, I immediately got pretty bad sexual side effects (nothing else) from the first pill I downed, but I figured they would go away and took another one the next day. The sides sort of came back and it was then that I decided that my hair just wasn’t worth losing… well, you know. Many of you know. I prayed that I wouldn’t crash and that everything would turn out for the best. Just two pills, right?

Well, five years later, I’m 24, my life is OK. Ironically I am of course totally OK with being bald now, if only I had been from the beginning. Life has its ups and downs but those have nothing to do with the episode described above. I’m in school, I have a decent life outside of school, I’m mostly happy with the direction my life is going in.

But I can tell you that those two pills did permanently change something in my system. In those five years since I took the pills, I think I must have had up to ten morning boners, max. The ones that I’ve had have been weaker than what they were like before Propecia. Now maybe I have morning/nocturnal erections while I’m sleeping deeply and they’re gone by the time I wake up, maybe. But I used to have one every morning, very hard, and bam, two pills and they’re gone, just like that.

What’s more, my sex drive has certainly not recovered to what it was earlier. I vividly remember the day I tried out Propecia: I had just had a post-school wank, everything was normal and then I took my first pill. Within something like ten minutes I was almost unable to get an erection and looking at stimulating photography was now like looking at paintings. Visually pleasing, but not terribly exciting. There was a “cold” feeling in my crotch, which I recall describing as a feeling of something “dying” down there in my post which you can probably still find on this forum. I still remember those sensations clearly, they were so stunning and drastic.

Things are definitely not that bad anymore and so I suppose I didn’t “crash”, but here’s where I’m at: I can get an erection fairly easily, but they are not all that strong, they disappear very quickly if I for example walk around while having one. I have to focus on maintaining an erection to keep it going. What’s more, I don’t feel like looking at stuff that much these days. I am going through an unrelatedly stressful period right now and maybe that has to do with it, but I don’t know. I get next to no spontaneous erections either. If I sort of get one, it’s quite weak, or at least feels like it. I don’t have a girlfriend and have not had one in five years. That’s partly because I just don’t really have a strong urge to get one, and that is because I just don’t have a strong urge to have sex at all.

If I decide to rub one out, I can absolutely get an erection, but again, it’s weaker than what I had before Propecia and I absolutely do not feel as excited or turned on as I used to feel before Propecia. If I had to numerically “estimate” where I’m at sexually compared to pre-Fin, I would say, I don’t know, 60%-65%? I can function and all that but it’s not something I crave terribly much. I would say just the lack of libido is the largest difference to my pre-Fin state. I am like the person I was before Fin but at least 30%-35% of my sexuality has been removed, carved out.

It has been five years, I’ve had time to reflect on this stuff and I have come to accept that unless some drastic cure is found, I may be like this for the rest of my life. In five years, I’ve adjusted to that just fine and like I said, at least I can still perform and don’t get me wrong, I do feel something sexually, but it’s very muted compared to what was before. And yes, thankfully my Propecia-inflicted suffering was and has been completely limited to sexual sides, for which I am very grateful.

Why make this post? Well, I suppose the message is something like “This drug really does some insane stuff insanely quickly”. I have checked this place out every so often and sometimes you see people wondering if taking just one or two or three pills and then quitting could do permanent damage. Well, it did for me. I’m mostly alright and fine with my life, but I am not the same as I was before those two pills. Their effect, while greatly reduced from their absolute worst points, has been permanent. I also thought someone might care for hearing from someone whose experience with Propecia was a good while ago. Take care everyone.

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Thats insane.

2 Pills. 30% libido for maybe the rest of your life. Crazy.

All I can say is the following (and I know I sound like a broken record): Install a small recurring monthly donation (10 bucks/ month for example) to the PFS foundation to help explain and maybe solve this.

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