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#181

My point about the Androhard wasn’t that since it didn’t lead to permanent improvements H-drol wouldn’t, I was saying that if two people responded differently to Androhard, then it is possible that two people would respond differently to H-drol.

I don’t know what I’m going to do, but I’ll let you guys know. It’s easy to say there is nothing to lose but I think messing with a gray market steroid while I already have a messed up endocrine system based on the recommendation of someone that I only know through the internet may present some possibility of greater loss. I don’t doubt Scared’s story, but let’s keep this in perspective.

If you truly feel like there is nothing to lose you can easily get the stuff, I bought everything on Amazon. Who knows, reckless drug use got us into this mess, maybe reckless drug use is the way out.

#182

Started PCT and TCF-1 on Monday. I think that the last few days on AndroHard I did notice a bit of a shutdown. My libido was even worse than before, and my balls seemed somehow smaller. Also, since Tuesday or so I have been experiencing hot flashes or something like it, which I understand in men would indicate low testosterone levels. That would make sense: come Tuesday, AndroHard must have cleared my system, yet my own testosterone production isn’t yet back in full commission. (Nonetheless, the experience is a bit scary, needless to say.) Haven’t had one of those today yet, which I take to be a good sign. But then again, the day isn’t over yet…

I am wondering if I should add Inhibit-E and possibly Blue Up to my PCT next week. After all, that was what ScaredinMD used for his PCT. Especially the thought of adding Inhibit-E intrigues me… Any opinion?

cdnuts - I know what you mean. While there isn’t much to be lost for me in terms of libido, my hormone levels seem to be in order, and I am not suffering from muscular atrophy or the like, so I too have something to lose.

Jack - At this point, it shouldn’t really come as a surprise that people react very differently to AndroHard, or anything else for that matter. I mean, if there is anything to be taken away from this whole rotten experience, then it’s that people are very different physiologically and respond differently to the very same substances. I don’t doubt that there are people out there who take Propecia for ten years and are fine, yet look at us. Also, keep in mind that people here took Propecia for varying lengths of time. Some took it for years, some for days. My own theory is that Propecia has layered effects, some of which kick in immediately, some only after prolonged use, and people may be susceptible to either the immediate effects, the long-term effects, or both. That would explain the differences as well as the striking commonalities among post-fin sufferers.

#183

In week three of PCT. I did end up taking Inhibit-E for five days last week, at one pill a day. The reason I stopped so soon was that side effects seemed to kick in rather fast. In particular, my joints started hurting after a day or so, which is a known side effect of excessively low estrogen. My guess is that, with AndroHard and Sustain Alpha and an anti-estrogenic diet, my estrogen level had been low to begin with, so that Inhibit-E was able to knock it out rather quickly. The knee pain is slowly getting better it seems, but it’s still there. Either way, I’ll stay away from the Inhibit-E and simply complete my PP PCT. No real changes, although I did notice that I had morning erections yesterday and today, which is unusual. I’ll keep you posted.

#184

Please do…

Im thinking of running a dermacrine androhard cycle very shortly to see If I can gain some more ground…

#185

You have to be careful when inhibiting estrogen. Lower the dose frequency…Spread it out…

LOW LOW estrogen will do a # on your body, especially joints. Not fun…

#186

Finished PCT a few days ago. Time to take stock. As far as I can tell, my program has failed to produce any genuine results. Low libido, lack of sensation in genital area, gyno, etc. are all still there. My muscles have become a bit more defined, which is nice but wasn’t my real concern. On the bright side, the joint pain that had started in the wake of taking Inhibit-E is gone. So that’s that. Should there be any unexpected changes or should I try anything new, I will let you guys know. All the best in case you want to try my, or ScaredinMD’s, or any other cycle.

#187

are you guys also trying proviron or have you tried it (seeing as jn has tried it)?

instead of androhard perhaps

#188

You talk a lot of sense, I totally agree.

I am seriously beginning to think the fact I was always messing with my dosages, going days on and off finasteride may have messed me up. Possibly too many bumps for my endocrine system to handle.

#189

I also agree… I think the main reason why my side effects stayed is because I messed with the dosages… went from .25mg (3days) .35mg(2 days) .50mg (2 days)… I had no sides with the .25 but when i upped it to .50 thast when they came back and I hadnt recovered since… LIke you said, perhaps our endocrine systems couldnt handle it and it crashed… now knowing that, does that help with any type of recovery…

#190

The thing is, guys over on the hairloss forum switch up there dosages/ don’t take it some days all the time and it doesn’t seem to make any difference.

#191

That is correct. The same applies with bodybuilders. Fin inhibits the same amount of dht no matter what dose (within limits) - it has a flat rate dose response. The issue, as I have stated before, is likely epigenetic or genetic hense it’s rarity and variance in severity. Because of the current lack of knowledge and interest in the molecular scientific community, since our issue is - to be honest - miniscule - compared to let’s say - aids or cancer - we may be stuck until either the press gets wind or the irwig study is released or some other geneticist/molecular scientist finds us interesting enough to test.

#192

The whole thing is just so bizarre and crazy, I think that’s why so many doctors/ guys on hair loss forums aren’t convinced by it. Looking back, it all seemed so simple; I pop this pill for 6 months and see how it goes, any side effects along the way should be fine, if there not, quit the drug and deal with my hair loss. Things have turned out very differently indeed…

#193

If a geneticist/molecular scientist gets wind of this and find something to treat us with, and a resolution finally comes to fruition…I think this will help us build a class action lawsuit as well…eventually anyways…:wink:

#194

I wish I had better news for you guys, but I finished a 6 week cycle of Hdrol and a 4 week PCT of Clomid and 40 days of Blue Up and I’m exactly where I was before. I took one week of 50 mg followed by 5 weeks of 75, and then the PCT.

I know that I didn’t follow Scared’s regimen exactly, but I figured it was better safe than sorry and took Clomid instead of the Inhibit-E. It’s impossible to say for sure, but I’m inclined to think that it wasn’t the specific mix of stuff he took that cured him if his cycle is what did it. The likelihood of someone suffering from these sides and then taking the exact right combination of chemicals to fix him seems very small to me, and it wasn’t worth the risk of not recovering properly from a cycle like this for failure to use a SERM.

So why aren’t I better? I don’t know, but I would guess that it’s because whatever is wrong with me is different from what was wrong with Scared, the inhibit-e was essential to the process or the key is a shutdown of the system and I didn’t shut down.

About a month after I crashed I got a dull ache in my testicles and for a few days was getting real nocturnal and spontaneous erections, and my ejaculate was fuller and more forceful. That petered out after a few days but it made me hopeful that I could be started up again by something like this. have been getting partial nocturnal and morning erections since then and those didn’t stop during the cycle. I didn’t really suffer any side effects aside from pain in my lower back referred to by lifters as back pumps. I took 100mg one day instead of 75 because there was an extra pill and my testicles sucked up, but only at this time and for that day. Since my testicles stayed the same and I never lost my nocturnal erections, could it be that I didn’t shut down, do you think? On the lifting forums guys say that Hdrol may not shut someone down, but it seemed to me that 6 weeks of a steroid was a guarantee to shutdown. Frankly, I’d feel a lot better if I had experienced some symptoms of shutdown, at least then I’d know that failure to shut down wasn’t the reason I didn’t improve. As it stands I’m tempted to try another cycle, either of a heavier dose or with a more powerful steroid. No one can know why Scared got better, but I still think shutdown is the most likely reason for something like this to work, as I don’t see how these chemicals in particular could cure what ails us. Thoughts?

I thought perhaps my body wouldn’t respond to the steroid, but I got significantly stronger and a bit leaner without seriously working out or watching what I ate.

Worth mentioning is that a few weeks into my PCT I got a surge from my testicles to the tip of my penis and that night my ejaculate shot out more forcefully than it had been. Maybe this cycle did something but wasn’t enough to get me going? Maybe the Clomid had a small and temporary impact? No idea.

If you have any questions post them here. This site really brings me down but I’ll try to come around and answer them.

#195

Jack, thanks for posting again. It’s good you did NOT take the Inhibit E.

I suggest you consult a naturopathic doctor who will consider your situation and whether he/she might be able to help prior to you spending any money on an appointment.

I have posted a link to a clinic and laboratory in Washington state, for example. I don’t think that endocrinologists are the likely group of people to aid us, unless you find one who is more open-minded and progressive.

#196

Jack…

Damn… Im currently 2 weeks into my Hdrol cycle and i had planned to do a full blown HCG/Clomid/Nolva PCT after it, even throwing sustain alpha and toco-8 in the mix, and why not D aspartic acid and blue up too with some inhibit E springled on it (yeah i know)

I started at 50mg for 3 days then went into 75mg (my current dosage). I planned to up the dosage to 100mg for the last few days and maybe extend the 6wks further by up to 4 days at 100mgs. Then start HCG (750 IU every 4 days) + vit E (or toco 8) + Nolva (low dose) for 2 weeks, Then Clomid + Nolva for 4 weeks, then Nolva alone for 2 weeks, tapered down. Maybe use a little bit of AI in the last week of Nolva and maybe use some AI for 2 more weeks. And use all those OTC PCT supps all this time (respecting the cycling instructions). Extending sustain alpha and toco 8 to 8 weeks total. Maybe use a couple a cycles of quercetin also after PCT to shrink the prostate after the steroids/serms abuse. Maybe some vitex to make sure prolactin is lowered.

I’m thinking, maybe Clomid is not good for us, remember the issue with GnRH? Check out this thread viewtopic.php?p=4271&highlight=various+points+treatment+nolvadex+clomid#4271

Maybe an AI rather than a SERM is a better PCT for our case?
Also I had tried DAA before, and it made me feel better, maybe it would be good for PCT in our case since it is proven to stimulate LH production (moreso than tribulus) without playing around directly with androgen and estrogen receptors (what SERMs do)?

A few questions to you jack :

  • How old are you?
  • How long ago did you stop your PCT?
  • What were the clomid dosage you used ? For how long ? Did you taper off?
  • How did you feel during the H-drol cycle ?

Im asking this because Clomid notoriously makes you feel like crap and kills your libido (acts like an estrogen in the brain), maybe you havent waited enough for it to clear your system ?
I also ask for the taper off because if you stop any high dose SERM abruptly it will leave you with high levels of circulating estrogen which can make you feel like crap AND maybe even shut you down again (they block Es from attaching to the receptors but dont “kill” them like AIs do). This is why i planned to taper off the nova AND use some AI at the end of PCT (not too much since this can also cause an estrogen rebound)

Also you said you didnt feel shutdown in cycle… well I thought that you were not supposed to “feel” shutdown on cycle since the steroid you are taking is replacing your own natural test (now lowered or annihilated) on the androgen receptors (hence the erections). You are supposed to feel shutdown after you end the cycle, at the beginning of PCT (and during the whole PCT if you are using clomid which makes you feel like a woman on her periods). SIze of testicles is said to be a poor indicator of HPTA shutdown.

I asked how did you feel during your Hdrol cycle … Because Im feeling GREAT, like I used to feel pre-fin, and havent felt like this ever since those long gone times… I havent tested sexual activity yet though, but my mood etc is like it used to be pre-fin, which is pretty awesome…

I have high hopes in my protocol, probably like you did yourself, and can very well imagine how much you are disappointed right now!

Im thinking, try to live healthy, exercise , take natural supplements for about 8 weeks then maybe start a cycle again with a different PCT this time ? Maybe you clomid PCT duration wasnt enough ? Maybe you should have used exactly what scaredinmd had used ? Maybe you should have used nolva alongside clomid (like Dr scally advocates), and maybe you could give HCG a shot?

Thanks for your report, I hope to hear from you soon

#197

I could be wrong but isn’t HCG to keep your balls going while you’re suppressed? I could be thinking of something else but I don’t think that’s for PCT, I think it’s to be taken during the cycle because it is also suppressive. Like I said I may be thinking of something else, but just wanted to throw that out there.

Yeah Clomid may not be good and It’s entirely possible that the Inhibit-E suppressed his estrogen so much after the cycle that it restarted him or something, I really have no idea. I just figured that it was better safe than sorry as far as PCT goes and I thought nolva and clomid were more or less the same, with people on boards suggesting that clomid was better for getting going again.

I’m 25. I ended the clomid around 3 weeks ago and the blue up 1 1/2 weeks ago.

for clomid I went 4 weeks, 100 the first week and 50 the next three.

During the cycle I felt pretty good. I haven’t felt as off as other guys seem to, just depressed because of this whole situation, so I really didn’t expect to feel too different on cycle, since I don’t think I feel all that different after propecia. I may have been a little more energetic and such but nothing significant. I feel the same now so I don’t think clomid is bringing me down, but who knows.

I know that you don’t “feel” shutdown, I just brought it up because guys on boards often mention trouble sleeping, balls sucking up like it’s cold, loss of nocturnal erections, etc. and I didn’t experience those things. I feel the same now as I did on cycle and as I did before, which doesn’t mean that I didn’t shut down, it just made me wonder and I figured it was worth mentioning because I think the theory a few had on this board was that shutdown was key.

I think I’ll probably take another one. I can’t believe how much stronger I got without really even lifting the first three weeks, so I guess it’s not my receptors, it’s the test production (I know I have low T)?

I don’t know if I could do a cycle without a SERM, it just seems like I may not recover and I’m still inclined to think that it wasn’t the specific chemicals taken that caused the recovery. I could be completely wrong of course, and if someone is cured by doing what Scared did by all means tell me I’m wrong, but the risks seem greater to me than the likelihood that Scared took the exact right stuff, you know?

I’m interested to see how you do. Did you crash after a few months off of propecia? I’m not sure if Scared did and I think that seems to be a meaningful difference as far as recoveries go.

#198

Sad to say I am not cured.
I was 100% for a while and then slowly it started to go away.
Now I take Hypertest by Axis Labs, 4 pills everynight before bed and I can get an erection everytime I try, but I never get nocturnal erections and my libido is bleh.

I needed to stay away from here because the constant reminded, coupled with a neurological diagnosis of Essential Tremors and a stressful job I had a breakdown.

I have done some eperimenting and the inhibit-e at 3 pills a day for the first week, 2 for the second 2 and 1 a day for the last with hypertest continued gives me about 3 months of normalcy. When I’m on the Inhibit my libido is Nil, but when it ends I get woodys just driving down the road looking at chicks. I’ll take what I can get.

Once again, didn’t want to leave anyone in the dark, but I had a meltdown and needed more time to accept my situation.

#199

I have read a similar story to yours on here by some user called “letsconvenience”
I can’t find his posts now…sadly…
he got cured by some kind of dopamine induced mechanism.

but over the period of 1 year or so…his sideeffects came back.
so he resorted to some naturopathy treatment from a guy named “ALex Tuggle”
they found out that he has got lots of copper in his liver…yes…copper toxicity

but over the period of time this guy got normal from the supplements he took which removed the copper deposited from his liver.

thought you could use some advice.

It seems the administrator has deleted his posts thinking it was a false recovery

hey…btw do you have brain fog?

#200

Anyone hear from this guy? He hasn’t been on this site for a year. I’m going to assume he recovered as he was doing pretty well then relapsed. Maybe things worked out for him.