I fully recovered from propecia (use over 6 years) via my own approach that I put together over time. I estimate it could take up to a year to get full or near full recovery.
I am looking for 5 guys to commit to using my approach to recovery - a program i have devised - you’ll get personal coaching from me on it.
However, in return you will be expected to:
A) Document your adherence to the program daily
B) Do a short video describing your situation at the start
C) Provide video updates of your experience on the program once per month
The requirement is that you commit to the program 100% for 1 whole year, whilst not doing anything else (that could distort or hinder your progress).
You can PM me if you are interested in taking part - you’ll need to explain to me in the PM where you are at, what you’ve already done briefly.
While I applaud your willingness to attempt to assist people here, at the same time we must remain vigilant due to the following:
First, the fact you require people to PM you to discuss further makes this concept somewhat suspicious. If you have a “method” which you believe would be of use to people here, and are genuinely interesting in helping those suffering from this syndrome, why are you not sharing it with all of us in the open?
Second, this is your first post on this site without revealing any background about yourself or experience with the drug, and you are asking people to “commit” to a thus-far extremely vague, non-descriptive “program”. On top of that, you are requesting they submit personally identifying information to you so that they are no longer anonymous, via video. What is the logic behind this – who are you, why should they trust you, what will you do with the videos? Why should people need to reveal their identities in order to “participate”? This is highly suspect.
Third, if you have a “program” that will help people recover (and what facts, theories supported by scientific research and bloodwork do you have to prove this?), it would be in your best interest to simply post it out in the open rather than requesting people get in touch with you privately… this type of tactic typically reeks of spam or ulterior motive, especially from someone who claims to have the solution to everyone’s problems, yet won’t openly divulge information on what that solution is.
Finally, your “estimate it could take up to a year to get full or near full recovery” may be true for some people who are not severly affected by the medication, or whose bodies recover on their own naturally… BUT there are also a number of men (self included) who have yet to fully recover even YEARS after quitting, and others who have tried various forms of hormone therapy and other treatments with variable degrees of success, although for some it has been short-lived.
Knowing this, what exactly are you proposing that you believe will solve our entire syndrome from behind a keyboard, when leading doctors and researchers have yet to define or figure out what the exact trigger/mechanism is?
That said:
I would ask you to be as open and candid as possible if your intent is to help people here, rather than secretive and private via PM. There are people who come to this site who have no intentions of helping others, but rather simply to stir the pot, lead people down false paths, play with their emotions and in some cases, advocate dangerous self-medicating advice. They know people here are desperate for answers and prey on this.
Since this is your first post, have no background history here, are requesting personally identifying information, and are already choosing not to divulge the basis of your “recovery method”, it makes your motivations (and likely any content) suspect.
In order to continue, please post your complete “program” for the benefit of all on this site, so we can all evaluate wether this is even something worth giving consideration, in some capacity.
this is probably the same guy behind the 100% guaranteed recovery website… If he really took fin and recovered my feeling is that he who knows how to get better would be spreading the word rather than building evidence for a sales pitch…
Or do you have something real to put forth, David?
Check your messages - I’ve been away for business the last week and not answering emails.
To the many questions which have similar themes: I’ll be 100% transparent.
I understand where you all are, I was there and I’ve been through it and it was health hell. I feel for you. It was a nasty time for me (although in retrospect it has made me a better / stronger man).
You can watch my story via video on [CENSORED]. I hope you guys find it positively motivating to keep battling away to recovery.
I’m happy to converse/ answer any questions here. I’m preparing for a meeting right now (i have my own business to run), but i’ll pop back in late tonight or tomorrow to answer any questions on this thread.
Dude, i have emailed you before regarding your website. When i emailed you i told you that i thought that it was very very low asking for money for your ‘cure’. I just dont understand it, you are selling your soul to the devil for a few bucks (Im not religeous at all mind you). Im willing to accept that you truly believe you have found a cure, but why not offer it free? The riches you would earn from helping people truly in need would be far greater than any monetary value. If i truly discovered something that worked, after screaming at the top of my lungs from the highest place i could find, i would come here and help everyone, with pleasure. Those who take advantage of people in need are the lowest form of life.
You kindly gave me some small tips in your email last time, and from what you said i can probablly guess most of your methods. I can also see how you could suggest that following your routine would take a few years. The ideas you suggested to me are nothing that haven’t been proposed on this forum already, and sadly are probablly not the answer people hope for. I wont post what you told me here just yet, i would prefer you came here and explained yourself.
Ok, i just watched your video. Nice sales pitch. Im not really convinced by it though. In fact i thought your description of our problems was pretty weak. I especially liked the bit where you explained how difficult the information is to find on the net. You are crafty and can see a market for this. There will be more and more people looking for help for this problem and they will stumble upon your website before they find and understand this place. Some will buy into your scheme and you earn some easy $$$. You might not even feel bad about it, because you think you’re helping people get fit.
We do share enthusiasm for the ability of healthy living to heal. I just take exception to you charging for it. You say you feel really sorry for people with no hope, i call BS on that. Prove me wrong.
There is no good reason to cajole a member here to trust their privacy with someone who easily can be a scammer. We are explicitly vigilant of those who’d mine us for data and who might be gathering information to compromise us and our legitimate chances at legal and medical redemption. Asking this of someone is outrageous, especially when you’ve shown you’re crafting a plan around your alleged breakthrough.
Can you explain why you think you’re now some sort of life coach because you allegedly recovered? Most (actually, all) of us have the humility and decency to share advice rather than command a need for leadership. It’s incongruous to say you feel terrible for us, then offer zero advice. It’s even worse to say you have an answer only to offer hoops to jump through.
I watched your video. You delivered a script available for free from this forum. You danced directly around your alleged cure - didn’t even give a hint of it - and you did it intentionally. You either did this because you have misguided beliefs that the greatest good can be done by disseminating your breakthrough SECRETIVELY, or you simply have an ulterior motive and see opportunity in the disparity these people are in.
And if it’s the former, I hope you realize that we won’t do the same - we actually do want to help our brothers here by offering advice rather than tagging it with conditions and secrecy.
I hope that wasn’t too “negative” a response like you said comes from forums such as this one. I’m sorry you feel that way rather than accredit the forum with the support it provides.
Everyone has these doubts, so I hope you find the time to address them. Cheers.
Im not trying to jump on the train of flame here but:
IF(!) you’ve been through this very situation with finasteride as many of us here at this forum, and offers a cure in exchange of cash; you’re either extremely greedy or a potent liar.
Wouldn’t be surprised if your business involves sales/advertising.
There’s over 1400 users at this site, even if your selling methods fails, or if 5% of us here are willing to try, pay and follow your routine it would cash in over $6300,- for you. It’s not like you’re going to lose anything by trying, we all understand that.
However I do not see how this differ from Merck, sorry I’m not buying.
Look guys I don’t want to get into any flame war - and I’m sure none of you do.
If any of you want to reach out to me to talk you are welcome. I’m not going to fuel more flames on this thread or the forum though. I didn’t expect such a negative reaction.
I’m sorry but I just can’t cut the time out necessary to do this properly without substantiating it with income. But I would love to do it.
You have my full support for your rapid and full recoveries and I’m sure that it will happen for you all. So just stay positive and keep working on it.
Anyone that comes to post on this forum offering a potential cure to people’s problems here, and then charges for access to such “information”, is clearly not motivated to help others.
As expected, when it came time to step up to the plate you ran under the guise of “not wanting to start a flame war”. You avoided answering any and all questions posed by myself and other members, while remaining vague in what exactly your “program” entails, despite repeated requests that you provide further details.
Not only that, your website follows the typical spam/marketing tactics of other “e-book”-style websites which rely on copious amounts of text and narrative to hook the reader, and then at the end provides a call to action to “enter an email address”, “buy now”, or “learn more” to get priviledged access to more information or other products/services.
Your site follows this same, common Internet-marketing style and pattern, as built by companies like theinternetmarketingcenter.com/ . There is NOTHING unique here except your motives to profit from people’s misery and desperation for answers – at a cost of $90 USD per signup – and the fact you used “Finasteride side effects” as your topic, and then built your “business” around that. Even your bland and vague descriptions of our issues makes it clear you simply skim-read a bunch of forum posts and websites to cobble together your story & ad copy.
BTW, here is the response you provided another member, which was forwarded to me after he msg’d you:
So much for transparency, considering you’ve avoided answering anyone’s questions in an effort to save face/potential revenues for your “program”. And “commercialising your program at a later date”, are you f’ing serious? You are clearly driven by greed and care NOTHING for the people suffering from Finasteride side effects.
I myself actually did watch your video and found it to be a useless, disguised sales pitch devoid of any value whatsoever. You provide a rambling monologue which was likely scripted, avoided providing any pertinent information about the condition beyond fatigue and your nuts aching, downplay and insult the importance of forums like this to pursuade viewers to buy YOUR message, and then offer no suggestions or details about what exactly your “program” is – for that, people have to spend $90 to find out.
Sorry, but if you were as interested in helping people here as you claimed to be, you would not have hesitated to assist us by providing further details in the open, and answer the questions posed by the members of this site… least of all myself and a fellow Moderator.
This type of behaviour is the lowest of the low, and the fact you are now backpeddling at this stage instead of answering the issues raised says it all. I will NOT allow this forum to be used as a springboard for commercial interests and personal profit, ESPECIALLY when this is done under the guise of trying to “help” people but in all reality is for profit, by preying on people’s emotions related to our condition.
This thread is done, you are clearly a spammer who is now banned, and I suggest you go find yourself a REAL job instead of preying on people’s desperate situations. You should be fucking ashamed and disgusted with yourself, knowingly using a captive audience to pitch some healthy eating, supplements and weight training routine for your personal gain. Here’s a big FU to you – and I don’t get pissed off easily, or swear much around here. In the end, I’d bet that you never even took Finasteride yourself, but are just some Internet marketer that spotted an opportunity to try and make some money off of our group, and others in the same boat.
For those who wish to spend your hard-earned money on this guy’s suggestions, be my guest. And “David”, if you plan on flooding this forum with fake testimonials and shills about your “program”, good luck – we’ll be watching and taking the appropriate actions.
Oh and one last thing – I’m removing the links to your site, since that is CLEARLY the end game for you here: free advertising and linking to your domain, which may turn into revenue from people desperate enough to line your pockets, with no guarantees in return. Sorry bud, not on my watch – you can take your scumbag marketing tactics somewhere else.
