Putting the C.andida Theory to Bed

[AEC924]

I don’t know if you’re holding the benefits you got from the enema but I believe it is a mix of both things, candida and estrogen dominance and I will tell you why.

Estrogen dominance create a perfect enviroment to cândida grow, when candida grow it affects the gut, liver, etc. When your liver is not detoxing your body it will also be unable to break down estrogen, so its a circle. When you clean your gut your serotonin will be better creating more feelings of happiness, better sleep, less anhedonia and this creates a better balance leading to less stress in the body and thus less estrogen. That’s why you can read from ihp and chi that they got more muscle mass and alio when he took milk thistle he got very strong side effect like shrinkage, no energy, no morning wood, etc because it affected the liver so hard that it couldn’t break estrogen.

I believe both are cured when you have a strong immune system and a good liver you can eat everything again and drink alcohol. You can see people who have cirrhosis have the same sides of pfs, they get cândida too. So I think you’re right candida is not the root cause but now it is the root of our problems, that’s my opinion.

[notna]

“Don’t wait for a cure! If everyone suffering from PFS constantly tests new supplements and protocols then eventually we’ll find something that can stabilize or cure us completely -be a part of the solution in progress.”

Change your signature please, This attitude is contra-helpful. We need to STOP testing stupid protocols and all leave it to professional scientists to sort things out. We will not find a cure on our own. For the sake of your own health, please write something different in your signature.

[amy.lee03hotmail.com]

@notna

“Don’t wait for a cure! If everyone suffering from PFS constantly tests new supplements and protocols then eventually we’ll find something that can stabilize or cure us completely -be a part of the solution in progress.”

Change your signature please, This attitude is contra-helpful. We need to STOP testing stupid protocols and all leave it to professional scientists to sort things out. We will not find a cure on our own. For the sake of your own health, please write something different in your signature.

are you sure scientist cure us how long we wait in this situation i know our tries may be worthless but we can find something make better us when we wait we pass life with nobless the scientist doesnt ignore us process is simplefor revael damage but the cure is difficulteven they didnt reveal simple one and revEal pfs doesnt take much but they dont hurry they only make this as a job and no one can understand our state im crying all waiting without do anything is killing me

[depressedguy]

@BrongFogBoy

There are a lot of people who don’t believe c.andida is the cause of PFS. There are enough that believe it is / could be the cause that the word has actually been sensored on the board (hence the “.” placed in the word to prevent censorship). I wanted to give a simple explanation to those people as to why I believe can.dida is not the cause of PFS but merely a side effect.

Excess estrogen causes cand.ida overgrowth :

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1360257/

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16400181

The studies above show (and this is fairly well known in the ca.ndida community) that high levels of estrogen cause ca.dida overgrowth. So the root cause of PFS which seems to create excess estrogen in us is creating an environment for ca.ndida to grow, which then brings on even more side effects (increased lethargy, increased brain fog etc…basically the symptoms of ca.ndida). So people go on a ca.ndida protocol / diet and feel immensely better and believe they’re cured when actually they just took care of one of the side effects of our underlying cause which will inevitably come back unless they continue the protocol indefinitely. This could also be an explanation for some of the temporary “recoveries”, the person did something which beat down ca.ndida for a short while and felt way better until it came back.

How you can benefit from this is by helping yourself control can.dida so you can alleviate some of the symptoms (I’ve done this myself and it works but does not cure you or alleviate all symtpoms). The ca.ndida diet and protocol (things like Nystatin and other herbs) can help you cope with PFS but won’t cure it because it is not the root cause of PFS, merely a side effect.

I respect your beliefs, and im open minded person but there are some unrealistic claims. i crashed after 4 pills and probably i would crash even 1 pill. Now can you explain how candidas grow so quickly and gave me excessive muscle atrophy and sudden and sharp brain fog, light sensivity etc. It happened within 1-2 days after i quited drug. So in your theory within 5-6 days candidas grow unbelievablely so quick.
And my 2nd question, actually this is not for you because you say candidas are not root cause but root of side effects. So this question is guya who claims candida is root cause pfs, please can you show me a cfs patient who has face atrophy and muscle atrophy so quickly, can you show me a cfs guy who has dark veins on their penis?
They say its leaky gut, then why the hell bowel cancer patients dont suffering this issues? Their bowels are fucked up horribly, they have leaky leaky gut but no penis atrophy tinnitus night bllidness etc.

[mcibofh]

There is noting on earth like this. No one fucking believes it. Its not C@ndida that’s for sure. I was probably fucked after 1 pill as well. I don’t even know why I keep wasting my time on earth anymore, honestly.

Vision Loss (blurry regardless of correction)
Cognitive Decline (Like suddenly having alzheimer’s disease)
Libido Loss
Erectile Dysfunction (nerve damage unable to feel stimulation)
Insomnia, Almost completely unable to sleep without medication.
Dry Mouth, Dry Eyes, Dry Body (sudo surgeons syndrome)
Neuropathy pain (reduced sensation across my entire body, pain in my hands and arms while sleeping)
Dizziness
Poor Digestion
Constipation
Severe depression
Severe anxiety
Rapid Muscle loss
Facial Changes (abnormal fat loss in the face)
Pelvic pain
Emotional Blunting (Zombie)
Dental Pain
Facial Pain

[depressedguy]

@mcibofh

There is noting on earth like this. No one fucking believes it. Its not C@ndida that’s for sure. I was probably fucked after 1 pill as well. I don’t even know why I keep wasting my time on earth anymore, honestly.

Vision Loss (blurry regardless of correction)
Cognitive Decline (Like suddenly having alzheimer’s disease)
Libido Loss
Erectile Dysfunction (nerve damage unable to feel stimulation)
Insomnia, Almost completely unable to sleep without medication.
Dry Mouth, Dry Eyes, Dry Body (sudo surgeons syndrome)
Neuropathy pain (reduced sensation across my entire body, pain in my hands and arms while sleeping)
Dizziness
Poor Digestion
Constipation
Severe depression
Severe anxiety
Rapid Muscle loss
Facial Changes (abnormal fat loss in the face)
Pelvic pain
Emotional Blunting (Zombie)
Dental Pain
Facial Pain

Yeah, i even dont believe any cfs patients have significant physical changes.

[BrongFogBoy]

@notna

“Don’t wait for a cure! If everyone suffering from PFS constantly tests new supplements and protocols then eventually we’ll find something that can stabilize or cure us completely -be a part of the solution in progress.”

Change your signature please, This attitude is contra-helpful. We need to STOP testing stupid protocols and all leave it to professional scientists to sort things out. We will not find a cure on our own. For the sake of your own health, please write something different in your signature.

If you understood how much better I feel with my current supplements and protocols you’d understand why I can’t agree that it’s a waste of time. I will be happy to share with anyone things which I believe will greatly enhance their life and help them cope with PFS, just PM me I’ll be happy to help however I can.

[BrongFogBoy]

@depressedguy

I respect your beliefs, and im open minded person but there are some unrealistic claims. i crashed after 4 pills and probably i would crash even 1 pill. Now can you explain how candidas grow so quickly and gave me excessive muscle atrophy and sudden and sharp brain fog, light sensivity etc. It happened within 1-2 days after i quited drug. So in your theory within 5-6 days candidas grow unbelievablely so quick.
And my 2nd question, actually this is not for you because you say candidas are not root cause but root of side effects. So this question is guya who claims is root cause pfs, please can you show me a cfs patient who has face atrophy and muscle atrophy so quickly, can you show me a cfs guy who has dark veins on their penis?
They say its leaky gut, then why the hell bowel cancer patients dont suffering this issues? Their bowels are fucked up horribly, they have leaky leaky gut but no penis atrophy tinnitus night bllidness etc.

The symptoms you described are PFS symptoms, what I’m suggesting is there’s a chance some people have developed a case of can.dida in addition to PFS and feel even worse, and then when they go on the ca.ndida diet are fooled into believing they’re curing themselves because they feel so much better. I agree with you, the symptoms we felt after the first week or in the first few days probably have nothing whatsoever to do with can.dida.

[depressedguy]

@BrongFogBoy

@depressedguy

I respect your beliefs, and im open minded person but there are some unrealistic claims. i crashed after 4 pills and probably i would crash even 1 pill. Now can you explain how candidas grow so quickly and gave me excessive muscle atrophy and sudden and sharp brain fog, light sensivity etc. It happened within 1-2 days after i quited drug. So in your theory within 5-6 days candidas grow unbelievablely so quick.
And my 2nd question, actually this is not for you because you say candidas are not root cause but root of side effects. So this question is guya who claims is root cause pfs, please can you show me a cfs patient who has face atrophy and muscle atrophy so quickly, can you show me a cfs guy who has dark veins on their penis?
They say its leaky gut, then why the hell bowel cancer patients dont suffering this issues? Their bowels are fucked up horribly, they have leaky leaky gut but no penis atrophy tinnitus night bllidness etc.

The symptoms you described are PFS symptoms, what I’m suggesting is there’s a chance some people have developed a case of can.dida in addition to PFS and feel even worse, and then when they go on the ca.ndida diet are fooled into believing they’re curing themselves because they feel so much better. I agree with you, the symptoms we felt after the first week or in the first few days probably have nothing whatsoever to do with can.dida.

Got it.

[AEC924]

I believe candida is not the cause but consequence and treating cândida makes our adrenal, gut and liver better then more estrogen is breaking out by the liver and less estrogen dominance, the cortisol and stress will be reduced then more thyroid and testosterone will be active. That’s what I think.

If you want to see people getting better. Dvjorge is one specialist, but he is not a doctor.

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[backfromhell]

C.andid.a may have taken advantage of low androgen in tissues that finasteride acts to remain in place for receptors.

fun.go.s/ba.cteri.a may be occupying the androgen receptors. who knows?

everyone has c.andi;da. May be procecia creates a great enviroment to receptors ocupation.

crazy theory?

why not try to use a bit of oregano oil (70% carvacol)?

watch what happens in the following days…

read about about die off c.an.di.da

We dont need to believe in nothing to experiment new ideas. science do its job.

[Pff]

think we have to repair the liver first to recover from this. Candida is in our body to digest the food we cant do our self and it cant live in an acid environment. without a good functioning liver we do not have enough bile acids so the candida kicks in. Candida has a waste prducts that mimics estrogen and has to be filtered by the liver. the liver gets overworked and without a good functioning liver almost no Bile is released that is aslo needed to repair the liver, for normal digestion and to absorb many vitamins. im almost sure pfs has nothing to do with dna, our bodies are just not prepared for this kind of changes. maybe propecia or the shifting hormones depleted important vitamins or minerals like zinc or we were already depleted before and got way worse. or we are just the ones that already had candida by not having a very healthy lifestyle and it got the chance to grow very fast because we gave it the opportunity by the shifting hormones. From the recoveries and because not everyone gets pfs i think this is the most logic way to go.

[JustQuitDut]

@notna

“Don’t wait for a cure! If everyone suffering from PFS constantly tests new supplements and protocols then eventually we’ll find something that can stabilize or cure us completely -be a part of the solution in progress.”

Change your signature please, This attitude is contra-helpful. We need to STOP testing stupid protocols and all leave it to professional scientists to sort things out. We will not find a cure on our own. For the sake of your own health, please write something different in your signature.

notna, I have PFS 90% in remission via controlling all the hormones PFS puts out of whack, I beg to differ, counter act the estrogen, fix the testosterone, the DHT and induce the 5AR and regulate it with HGH and I am 90% better. You are going to sit back and wait for someone someday to come up with a cure when they don’t even admit the condition is real? My knowledge of hormones surpasses most doctors, in fact I haven’t found one who knows more than I do on this topic (yet).
I am not being egotistically, I had no idea endocrinologists were so limited, I went assuming they would be a fountain of knowledge, but all of them told me I knew more than they did. The ones who did not say that pretended like they understood me and wasted my time. While I understand your feelings, they are misguided, I hope research will find a cure or treatment, but I am sure as hell not waiting or putting any blind faith in that.

[JustQuitDut]

@brazilianguy

I don’t know if you’re holding the benefits you got from the enema but I believe it is a mix of both things, and estrogen dominance and I will tell you why.

Estrogen dominance create a perfect enviroment to cândida grow, when grow it affects the gut, liver, etc. When your liver is not detoxing your body it will also be unable to break down estrogen, so its a circle. When you clean your gut your serotonin will be better creating more feelings of happiness, better sleep, less anhedonia and this creates a better balance leading to less stress in the body and thus less estrogen. That’s why you can read from ihp and chi that they got more muscle mass and alio when he took milk thistle he got very strong side effect like shrinkage, no energy, no morning wood, etc because it affected the liver so hard that it couldn’t break estrogen.

I believe both are cured when you have a strong immune system and a good liver you can eat everything again and drink alcohol. You can see people who have cirrhosis have the same sides of pfs, they get cândida too. So I think you’re right is not the root cause but now it is the root of our problems, that’s my opinion.

PFS CANNOT BE CURED BY AN ENEMA!!!! This is an enzymic problem with severe hormonal consequences (in my opinion), the consequences can be regulated via hormones with success, these parasite theories are ridiculous. I swear if I read one more comment about enemas! You guys think fasting and eating right is going to fix this? I have been eating right, working out before, during and after the crash, the only thing that fixed this has been hard core hormones and counter acting all the hormonal consequences of PFS.

[mcibofh]

I actually agree with JustQuitDut on this one. I also think he is one of the lucky people that responds to hormones. The candida theory is retarded.

@JustQuitDut

@brazilianguy

I don’t know if you’re holding the benefits you got from the enema but I believe it is a mix of both things, and estrogen dominance and I will tell you why.

Estrogen dominance create a perfect enviroment to cândida grow, when grow it affects the gut, liver, etc. When your liver is not detoxing your body it will also be unable to break down estrogen, so its a circle. When you clean your gut your serotonin will be better creating more feelings of happiness, better sleep, less anhedonia and this creates a better balance leading to less stress in the body and thus less estrogen. That’s why you can read from ihp and chi that they got more muscle mass and alio when he took milk thistle he got very strong side effect like shrinkage, no energy, no morning wood, etc because it affected the liver so hard that it couldn’t break estrogen.

I believe both are cured when you have a strong immune system and a good liver you can eat everything again and drink alcohol. You can see people who have cirrhosis have the same sides of pfs, they get cândida too. So I think you’re right is not the root cause but now it is the root of our problems, that’s my opinion.

PFS CANNOT BE CURED BY AN ENEMA!!!! This is an enzymic problem with severe hormonal consequences (in my opinion), the consequences can be regulated via hormones with success, these parasite theories are ridiculous. I swear if I read one more comment about enemas! You guys think fasting and eating right is going to fix this? I have been eating right, working out before, during and after the crash, the only thing that fixed this has been hard core hormones and counter acting all the hormonal consequences of PFS.

[Pff]

Justquitdat could you please explain me why only a small group of people get pfs

[Mew]

Genetics.

[Pff]

you cant be serious with that. that’s just the most simple answer you can think of. It’s not genetics im sure, this group is so diverse and with the recoveries i think its not valid. in the medical world they use genetics as an excuse for many illnesses were they just not have found the answer yet. and it may be satisfying because it fits in your theory. but We have to think more logical and look for the answer in more directions. Because if were looking only in this theory of the receptors, and we find out it’s right but only a symptom that can have a lot of origins then we have lost a lot of time. And i want a cure not a drug that can mask 20% of my symptons and brings a lot of other side effects with it. if we go on like this then maybe we have a cure in 40 years or so. Think as a researcher/problem solver and don’t reject every theory because it’s not the one you believe in.

[depressedguy]

THIS SITE IS FULL OF SHIT.

[Mew]

and it may be satisfying because it fits in your theory

I don’t have a theory. There are no valid theories YET, as research is underway by researchers to hopefully elucidate on mechanisms of action to behind the persistency of side effects. People should take heed of this instead of playing armchair scientist, wasting time and resources on speculation.

In terms of genetics, the drug affects 5AR enzymes at a pharmacogenetic level differently based on genetic profiles. This has also been illustrated in terms of hair regrowth potential via Androgen Receptor CAG repeat length. If you choose to disregard such concepts in favor of blind speculation, that’s your perogative.