are you sure scientist cure us how long we wait in this situation i know our tries may be worthless but we can find something make better us when we wait we pass life with nobless the scientist doesnt ignore us process is simplefor revael damage but the cure is difficulteven they didnt reveal simple one and revEal pfs doesnt take much but they dont hurry they only make this as a job and no one can understand our state im crying all waiting without do anything is killing me
I respect your beliefs, and im open minded person but there are some unrealistic claims. i crashed after 4 pills and probably i would crash even 1 pill. Now can you explain how candidas grow so quickly and gave me excessive muscle atrophy and sudden and sharp brain fog, light sensivity etc. It happened within 1-2 days after i quited drug. So in your theory within 5-6 days candidas grow unbelievablely so quick.
And my 2nd question, actually this is not for you because you say candidas are not root cause but root of side effects. So this question is guya who claims candida is root cause pfs, please can you show me a cfs patient who has face atrophy and muscle atrophy so quickly, can you show me a cfs guy who has dark veins on their penis?
They say its leaky gut, then why the hell bowel cancer patients dont suffering this issues? Their bowels are fucked up horribly, they have leaky leaky gut but no penis atrophy tinnitus night bllidness etc.
There is noting on earth like this. No one fucking believes it. Its not C@ndida that’s for sure. I was probably fucked after 1 pill as well. I don’t even know why I keep wasting my time on earth anymore, honestly.
Vision Loss (blurry regardless of correction)
Cognitive Decline (Like suddenly having alzheimer’s disease)
Libido Loss
Erectile Dysfunction (nerve damage unable to feel stimulation)
Insomnia, Almost completely unable to sleep without medication.
Dry Mouth, Dry Eyes, Dry Body (sudo surgeons syndrome)
Neuropathy pain (reduced sensation across my entire body, pain in my hands and arms while sleeping)
Dizziness
Poor Digestion
Constipation
Severe depression
Severe anxiety
Rapid Muscle loss
Facial Changes (abnormal fat loss in the face)
Pelvic pain
Emotional Blunting (Zombie)
Dental Pain
Facial Pain
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Yeah, i even dont believe any cfs patients have significant physical changes.
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If you understood how much better I feel with my current supplements and protocols you’d understand why I can’t agree that it’s a waste of time. I will be happy to share with anyone things which I believe will greatly enhance their life and help them cope with PFS, just PM me I’ll be happy to help however I can.
The symptoms you described are PFS symptoms, what I’m suggesting is there’s a chance some people have developed a case of can.dida in addition to PFS and feel even worse, and then when they go on the ca.ndida diet are fooled into believing they’re curing themselves because they feel so much better. I agree with you, the symptoms we felt after the first week or in the first few days probably have nothing whatsoever to do with can.dida.
Got it.
I believe candida is not the cause but consequence and treating cândida makes our adrenal, gut and liver better then more estrogen is breaking out by the liver and less estrogen dominance, the cortisol and stress will be reduced then more thyroid and testosterone will be active. That’s what I think.
If you want to see people getting better. Dvjorge is one specialist, but he is not a doctor.
C.andid.a may have taken advantage of low androgen in tissues that finasteride acts to remain in place for receptors.
fun.go.s/ba.cteri.a may be occupying the androgen receptors. who knows?
everyone has c.andi;da. May be procecia creates a great enviroment to receptors ocupation.
crazy theory?
why not try to use a bit of oregano oil (70% carvacol)?
watch what happens in the following days…
read about about die off c.an.di.da
We dont need to believe in nothing to experiment new ideas. science do its job.
think we have to repair the liver first to recover from this. Candida is in our body to digest the food we cant do our self and it cant live in an acid environment. without a good functioning liver we do not have enough bile acids so the candida kicks in. Candida has a waste prducts that mimics estrogen and has to be filtered by the liver. the liver gets overworked and without a good functioning liver almost no Bile is released that is aslo needed to repair the liver, for normal digestion and to absorb many vitamins. im almost sure pfs has nothing to do with dna, our bodies are just not prepared for this kind of changes. maybe propecia or the shifting hormones depleted important vitamins or minerals like zinc or we were already depleted before and got way worse. or we are just the ones that already had candida by not having a very healthy lifestyle and it got the chance to grow very fast because we gave it the opportunity by the shifting hormones. From the recoveries and because not everyone gets pfs i think this is the most logic way to go.
notna, I have PFS 90% in remission via controlling all the hormones PFS puts out of whack, I beg to differ, counter act the estrogen, fix the testosterone, the DHT and induce the 5AR and regulate it with HGH and I am 90% better. You are going to sit back and wait for someone someday to come up with a cure when they don’t even admit the condition is real? My knowledge of hormones surpasses most doctors, in fact I haven’t found one who knows more than I do on this topic (yet).
I am not being egotistically, I had no idea endocrinologists were so limited, I went assuming they would be a fountain of knowledge, but all of them told me I knew more than they did. The ones who did not say that pretended like they understood me and wasted my time. While I understand your feelings, they are misguided, I hope research will find a cure or treatment, but I am sure as hell not waiting or putting any blind faith in that.
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PFS CANNOT BE CURED BY AN ENEMA!!!! This is an enzymic problem with severe hormonal consequences (in my opinion), the consequences can be regulated via hormones with success, these parasite theories are ridiculous. I swear if I read one more comment about enemas! You guys think fasting and eating right is going to fix this? I have been eating right, working out before, during and after the crash, the only thing that fixed this has been hard core hormones and counter acting all the hormonal consequences of PFS.I actually agree with JustQuitDut on this one. I also think he is one of the lucky people that responds to hormones. The candida theory is retarded.
Justquitdat could you please explain me why only a small group of people get pfs
Genetics.
you cant be serious with that. that’s just the most simple answer you can think of. It’s not genetics im sure, this group is so diverse and with the recoveries i think its not valid. in the medical world they use genetics as an excuse for many illnesses were they just not have found the answer yet. and it may be satisfying because it fits in your theory. but We have to think more logical and look for the answer in more directions. Because if were looking only in this theory of the receptors, and we find out it’s right but only a symptom that can have a lot of origins then we have lost a lot of time. And i want a cure not a drug that can mask 20% of my symptons and brings a lot of other side effects with it. if we go on like this then maybe we have a cure in 40 years or so. Think as a researcher/problem solver and don’t reject every theory because it’s not the one you believe in.
THIS SITE IS FULL OF SHIT.
I don’t have a theory. There are no valid theories YET, as research is underway by researchers to hopefully elucidate on mechanisms of action to behind the persistency of side effects. People should take heed of this instead of playing armchair scientist, wasting time and resources on speculation.
In terms of genetics, the drug affects 5AR enzymes at a pharmacogenetic level differently based on genetic profiles. This has also been illustrated in terms of hair regrowth potential via Androgen Receptor CAG repeat length. If you choose to disregard such concepts in favor of blind speculation, that’s your perogative.
For the record MCI, I do not respond to hormones just like the rest here, after extensive experimentation, I figured out that I respond based on how much 5ar I produce. As a side effect of 5ar enzymes I have oily skin, I have a condition that makes me extremely androgenic responsive (ironically). So I am in the same boat as you all, but I have managed to bring myself to a normal state by constantly manually managing my hormones. When my body is producing enough 5ar to reduce test to dht then I can clearly see it on my face, the more oil, the bigger my muscles, the stronger my libido, the stronger the sensations of male hormones.
When I exhaust this compromised supply, test stops working, the only thing I have found that gets my body to start regulating and producing 5ar enzymes again is hgh. I am using HGH precursors, but straight HGH. I personally KNOW this condition is blocking of the 5ar enzymes. Based on this premise I have been able to manage pfs and get my body to respond to hormones. I do not respond normally, I use DHT mainly to regulate estrogen. If I were responding properly to hormones I wouldn't be on this forum. Every single human man in the world responds to testosterone by producing 5ar and reducing it to test and experiencing the functions of the 5ar enzymes, 1, 2 (muscles, sebum, pheremones, libido, male sexual everything). The third enzyme affects ocular and neurological function, some with pfs have more 5ar suppressed and others less, the ones with neurological conditions have the third 5ar enzyme suppressed
When I stop responding to test and my 5ar enzymes run out I can see the oil stop on my face and as there is no constant reduction of test to dht the testosterone is aromatized and converted into estrogen. This in turn causes water retention and my face starts bloating, when estrogen gets extremely high I feel extreme panic and anxiety. I now know that dht will regulate estrogen, it won't solve pfs, but it is just one of the many hormones I'm using to mitigate the effects of this deeciency.
This is not an androgen receptor desensitizing as if it were, more testosterone would work, but in pfs affected men, less testosterone works, that contradicts the premise that this is a dulled receptor problem. There is in fact a way to test for pfs, go on testosterone, if after a week or a month you crash, you have pfs, because guess what? No other human male does that! I was initially able to live awesome controlling my low test (prob induced by finasteride) with hrt. Then when I took avodart I crashed and am in the same boat as all of you. By using hormones to mitigate the cascade effect of the lack of these enzymes on my hormones, I have been able to bring myself to a somewhat normal condition.
99% of you would be ecstatic to be where I am, but I lost a lot of muscle size, when my body starts producing more 5ar my body can literally double in size within a week. With my protocols I have a functional and strong libido, not like before pfs, but it works, I can get off a few times a day and usually do.
The reason pfs sufferers respond better to lower doses of test is because they have a limited number of these 5ar enzymes, the correct dose to ratio of the compromised enzymes will reduce that dose of test to dht and dht will regulate estrogen. Higher dose and it will overwhelm the compromised supply and estrogen dominance takes over. Tests will show normal dht because this is a constant process of constant reduction, dht can just sit there and is regulated by the body.
I suffered with this constant process for years with over active oily skin, I was on all kinds of drugs to control my skin from breaking out on test. I am very vain and vanity has brought me to find out many of these conclusions. This is not a theory, this is a practice I am guided by, so far I have never had effects of 5ar enzymes without the positive effects. Doctors and medical science know very little about this as there are no such conditions except inherent genetic ones where the child is born this way.
We have some 5ar function, and I know based on posts and my own experience that HGH helps, and HGH happens to regulate 5ar enzymes. Mew found a synthetic 5ar enzyme which was designed by some scientists as a possible treatment for 5ar defeciency. I am convinced after extensive research that if I inject this synthetic enzyme, it will start reducing my test to dht and I will feel 100% recovery. Do not be fooled, if all of you were on the exact hormone protocols I was on (tailored to your 5ar production) you would all be getting by like me as well.
It isn't easy though, I am on a lot of stuff, but I'm working on more practical protocols as I am still in testing phases. I am certain this synthetic enzyme is the cure, or at least the treatment. As for recovery stories, do we know if any of them have been able to respond to testosterone injections? I'm not sure. I do believe in time our bodies will recover, but how much time? Perhaps not everyone, many of the problems that are getting worse are due to androgen defeciency. Please check the pfs study done on penile tissue of pfs sufferers vs non pfs sufferers, the researchers theorized that the differences were due to androgen deprivation.
It isn't that I'm smarter than everyone else, it's that my genetics are such that I can see my reactions to these enzymes (even in the slightest). No one here tried lower doses of test till I said to, and when people started to use lower doses they responded. That isn't sufficient for me, I want to be cured, my next step is this enzyme. Why do some of us have pfs and others not? Oh I believe a lot of men have pfs, but they attribute it to age, depression, they have gone to hrt doctors and not responded to testosterone, since they never used it before, they don't know what it is supposed to do. I know of one man in particular and I never could figure out why he didn't respond to test, and then the other day I asked him if he took finasteride, guess what?
He doesn't know he has pfs, he just figured it is age and that testosterone doesn't do much for him. Why are we affected? It may be a gene that is triggered, it may have brought us to a prepubescent state of these enzymes, and eventually the gene triggers back and we go back into maturity. I'm not sure nor do I care why, I want a solution. Dht in fact doesn't work in pfs guys the way they would expect, but it does regulate estrogen and solves a lot of problems doing so, enhances libido when combined with testosterone, but hcg is required, it stimulates 5ar and it helps me. However, a massive surge of estrogen follows hcg use which then created problems I solve with dht.
This is pfs, you can say it's mh theory, but I'm working with this and so far operating on this premise successfully, I know this to be true. That fucking synthetic 5ar is the cure, I just don't know how to administer it, how much etc... I surmise though that I will find out real fast as the more I inject I'm sure the better I will feel and I will see my body reducing test to dht.
MCI, no hormones don't work on my correctly and it sucks, but using my extensive knowledge of hormones, I have managed this condition for now. I have yet to find any sort of doctor that has my knowledge of hormones, or can even follow me. It is frustrating, but there are many smart guys here who have contributed a lot of knowledge and experience. While we wait and hope others will solve this, we can ourselves and are working on it, who else is with me and will try this synthetic 5ar?after a few years without finasteride, you will recover naturally. do not worry too much about these side effects and theorys. believe me, are not permanent. with or without hormones, the body will slowly recovering.