Protocol to beat this

General Discussion
#31

I’ve thought this quite a bit lately. I wonder how many of the “symptoms have improved” threads are simply people boosting their Sex Drive/mood/whatever issue they had, which would have happened due to what they were taking regardless of PFS.

i.e. maybe if they had never taken fin but they took all these amino acids worked out, etc. they would go from their normal 100% to 130%. Now, due to fin, their baseline is 50%, so maybe the same thing boosts people to 80% for the same reason it would have boosted them anyways

That isn’t to say it’s really “curing” PFS, but I guess if it feels better in the end, improvement is what really matters

#32

Finally no classified protocols?

#33

nope.

can you take the survey and help us out so we can find a protocol to beat it?

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#34

There should be a “My personal recovery protocol” section on this site

Where people break down exactly what they did to recover with brands and portions per day/week, morning or night

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#36

Quite a number of names without survey completion ticks here.

Fill out the survey now and read about “protocols” later, please.

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#37

Oh boy! You are loading up excessively with too much chemicals man! Bear in mind, me and another guy got fucked from Vit K2, so be careful with it!

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#38

I stopped since then after hearing it crashed people.

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#39

Yeah, good choice man. I am still amazed how we can crash so easily from stuff that would not do any harm to a healthy person. Seems to be our bodies are put in constant alert mode and we are so fragile because of that. We have low resistance to stress, dunno if taking supplement is kind of stressing the body too, probably thats why we crash and worsen sometimes by taking stuff


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#40

Yes. This is one my carnivore / ketogenic diet is basically an elimination diet. I eat around 12 things only, I tested them.

You’d be surprised how much inflammation comes from grains and how pfs worsen that condition.

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#41

Can you share what foods are you eating please?
Thanks

#42

Let’s see. From the largest amount to the smallest:

Beef
Romaine lettuce
Ghee
Coconut milk
MCT oil from coconut oil
Extra Virgin Olive oil
Apple cider vinegar
Macadamias
inulin (a dietary fiber)
Coffee
salt
Stevia (a natural 0 carbs sweetener)

Sometime I change the beef for chicken or pork, or japanese mackerel

Once in a while (every 3-5 days), when I feel I need carbs, I will have a single cracker with macadamia butter and the most natural rasberry jam I could find. Or I would make oatmeal with 30 gr of dry oatmeal.

I found that if I’m having carbs, I don’t sleep as well. But if I do just a little, I feel better overall in the day time.

Note: Olive oil, apple cider vinegar and inulin are new addition, less than a week old. I may have to remove them.

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#43

I am drinking 1tsp apple cider vinegar with water every morning it does help for me. Thanks for the list man :slight_smile:

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#44

I read that carbs improve DHT levels

DHT Manual
http://bit.ly/2oRUWUA

#45

I think this will depend on if your problems are hormonal or if another mechanism is affecting, I know if I can get my T levels to around 450 my wood is good
 but right now my levels have lowered a bit after being on TRT.

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#46

How is it we react so bad to supplements.
People says they “crash” on supplement, but probably by crash taking a supplement (not finasteride) they actually mean DRUG HYPERSENSIBILITY.

Did you notice a difference using slow introduction of a supplement?
How many times per week you begin to take them? Twice a week? each other day?

#47

I start with a low dose everyday and increase the dose. If at some point I increasingly feel bad, I stop the supplement. Or I would stop when I start feeling bad. It’s best to do it one supplement at a time so as to know which one does bad.

Many supplements won’t make a noticeable difference, some do in a few days.

IMO, some people actually crash as in having the same epigenetic changes as they had in their initial crash being accentuated but the supplement. If the body reacted to too much androgen and silenced the AR (an epigenetic change) then maybe taking phytoandrogens would silence further the AR or at least put the hormones in disarray

In my case, it was the phytoestrogen in soy that made me react badly.

#48

Which percentage of the supplements you tried were you able to tolerate?
How many of the total approach had to be discarted due intolerance?

#49

3 pillars of recovery:

1.Reduce Inflammation and immune system (no gluten, fasting low carb, certain supplements)

  1. pro androgens (exercise, herbs, steroids)

  2. Anti androgens (herbs/supplements) sparingly

Putting that together and performing it with low stress, etc. is easier said than done, but just about every recovery thread follows those three things

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#50

I’d say I kept taking a third of what I tried. Half had adverse effects and the rest did nothing.

#51

I agree with you.

Time is also an important element. To quote an article on pfs: "The pharmacokinetics of finasteride and dutasteride are as such that they are nearly irreversible inhibitor of 5α-Rs, with slow rate of dissociation, leading to a long-lasting effect of the drug, regardless of dose administered. "

I compiled some success stories on a thread (with same name) and time was always a factor. It seems to me to take 4-6 years, if combined with diets like carbs restriction, exercise and herbs. In my opinion, fasting occasionally or intermittent fasting on a daily basis help as it increases autophagy and epigenetic repairs. The idea being to destroy and replace those damaged ARs and 5a-Rs with new undamaged ones. It’s only a theory but I’m doing it nonetheless, if only to feel like I’m actively doing something.

About stress, there’s a lot to say. Many if not most of us are deficient in 5a-THDOC and Allopregnanolone for lack of 3a-HSD and/or 5ar so it’s hard for us to decrease stress. It’s like driving a car with a gas pedal but no brakes. It can only go faster.
I found that doing my daily shores with no expectations on the outcome really helps reduce stress. Actually, not having expectations at all: live or die, hurt or not, succeed or fail: all the same. This way I don’t build stress to begin with and I meditate at night into accepting whatever life brings me, while at the same time putting my attention on the pituitary gland and remembering the feeling of ecstatic joy and reliving it by memory. Maybe we can voluntarily do something the body won’t do automatically ? So far so good. I can feel intense joy in meditation and my stress level goes down. Placebo effect ? Maybe but I truly don’t care.

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