********please post your stool parasitology results*********

General Discussion
#25

I have mentioned this a few times. Finasteride deprives the human body of it’s most potent androgen: DHT. Such a deprivation is an environmental catastrophe to the body, akin to say, a drought, a famine or severe injury. The stress response is elevated cortisol (thus adrenal fatigue) which converts T4 (inactive thyroid hormone) to reverse t3 (inactive thyroid hormone, instead of t3- active thyorid hormone). (This is a documented survival response in human beings developed over millions of years which enables us to survive in harsh climates). Why is this a survival response? Our body temperature lowers to reduce our metabolic demand in such harsh conditions, and thus adapt to the new environment of androgen deprivation, lack of water, food. A similar response is seen in patients in Intensive Care Wards; physicians are becoming more alert to reverse t3 levels (or subclinical thyroid state) and the adrenal functioning of the patient (interestingly, patients with the best adrenal function have the best prognosis). Anyway, I digress.

In a condition of lowered body temperature, it is known that GI parasites and yeast profilerate and flourish, and perpetuate the illness state.

We all have lowered body temperature
We all have GI parasites and/or systemic yeast infections
We all need stool DNA parasitology analysis and live blood microscopy

Elimination of GI parasites and/or yeast infestation is critical to a slow path to recovery.

JN

#26

Very interesting thread.

I have an itcy butt regularly (mostly at night time) which may be an indication of worms (yuck).
Definitely have a lowered body temperaure too.

I am currently in the process of having a stool test for parasites and should have the results back in a few weeks.
I’ve also bought some NOW ‘Fresh Green Black Walnut Wormwood Complex’ and some whole cloves which are both reportedly effective for killing parasites… but I won’t be taking anything until i have finished the stool test and have approval from my doctor.

#27

Not to further detract from JN’s thread, but an “itchy butt” can also be caused by hemorrhoids. Considering hemorrhoid itching is a result of expanded blood vessels, blood vessels are controlled by smooth muscles, and finasteride affects smooth muscle control (the same thing that controls erections) it might be smart for anyone with an “itchy butt” see a proctologist along with pursuing this parasite testing.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemorrhoid

#28

Or he might just have an itchy butt, as people do sometimes.

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#29

I hear that inflammation can block ACTH receptors in the adrenal gland lowering cortisol output.

I just received my “deworming” herbs.

Christophers herbal parasite syrup
Clove tablets
Christophers quick colon cleanse
Grape fruit seed extract
Oregano oil
Pumkin seeds
Papaya seeds
Olive leaf extract
And of course fresh organic garlic.
Digestive enzymes

I goto try and take some of this on an emplty stomach in the morming, tried that with the garlic and oregano oil. It was very strong. If I was a worm, and was subjected to that I would want to crawl right out of there.

It is a good idea to deworm a couple times a year.

#30

JN, do you want to go into how you actually get parasites out of your body? all your doing is preaching that we have parasites and that doesn’t really do anything, did you actually treat your parasites with something and get rid of them and is that proven through a new “dna” detection test yet?

treatments that i can think of… like the guy above me said some good things, also lugol’s iodine is something i’m considering, not really sure of how extreme it is though… also detox drinks, cant think of any off the head… other things, garlic or onion + plus adding probiotics after to replace killed off organisms…

#31

Bryce, if you read my personal thread in member’s stories, I mention several times how Dr Emerson treated my parasites.

JN

#32

no you didn’t. i just went through 10 pages of your thread and didn’t find it. the closest you come to talking about how you treated it was here, where you didn’t say how he did it:

Then earlier you talked about how because of your low body temperature due to these metals (I’m guessing?) that is what is causing the parasites? so your treatment is using heavy metal dosing to increase body temp to remove parasites?

i know without a doubt that it causes issues because i know i’ve taken things in the past and seen how i’m affected much like you are. however, i believe and correct me if i’m wrong, the hormones in our body change the heavy metals levels, not the heavy metal levels adjust the hormones. either way, it is avoiding the actual main problem and the dosing is just a temporary solution as long as you find the optimal dosing levels. i don’t want to spend my days adjusting heavy metals. you all ready had a food allergy test and showed negative results, like me… i don’t know why you don’t think this is auto immune related.

this definitely isn’t the way to treat parasites if this is what you are doing. please tell me what you did exactly to treat it or go into it again… it won’t take you long to tell me how you treated it here, just a sentence or two briefly… please don’t say your off to play tennis and don’t have time to answer as i all ready went through 10 pages of your thread to the point where you first start talking about the parasites.

#33

I’m curious to hear, too, if you figured out a regiment/therapy against parasites or if you have already done such -JN-. Please do tell us if you can! There’s couple of regiments i have seen but seeing Dr.Emerson’s would provide more understanding into the issue.

Also, a finasteride person i know was found with a ridicilous amount of food allergies without symptons = basically leaky gut. I know a recovered guy talked how he got all kinds of food allergies he got a reaction on after he crashed. I was found with a infection in the prostate and SO FAR treating it has seem to beat my chronic fatigue in it’s entirity but i have to wait until next summer to find out if it’s the true culprit (basically i haven’t killed the infection yet). Lots of people here complain prostatitis symptons.

What i mean bryce, is not to attack you but i’d like to remind here that even if your deduction and reasoning says with your current knowledge that no, why could that be possible… well, you might be just wrong because you don’t know something or haven’t thought in a different way. Possibilities.
Nevertheless, we’re all the same anyways in that we have to find the right solutions by ourselves so i’d like to clarify that i’m not here to fight but to learn and figure out maximal amount of good therapies and information. Let’s work together Come on Come on Let’s work together ~ canned heat

#34
  • JN - I’m sorry that you are receiving so much backlash. I would do this test but I don’t have insurance and can’t afford it. If you do have the means - WHY NOT!?!? Why must we shoot down everything before getting a harmless test done. This man is a DOCTOR. What if he is the doctor that develops a cure!?!? Some of you seem like you are DETERMINED to stay sick.

Thanks - JN - keep it up, if I find myself in a better situation with health care soon, I will get tested.

#35

Hey bryce,

No worries. Yes, we all have GI parasites and/or systemic yeast infections due to our low body temperatures.
Dr Emerson prescribed me the following:

  • stromectol for ‘GI parasite, taxonomy unavailable’
  • nitazoxinide for Enterobius Vermicularis worm.

The point I was making about heavy metals was that they contribute to lowered immunity and a lowered body temperature, especially copper. That’s all.

I hope this helps,

JN

#36

sorry, maybe it was the other way round (stromectol for worm) etc

JN

#37

-JN-

The results from my stool test are:

Commensal (Imbalanced) flora:
2+ Beta strep, group B
1+ gama hemolytic strep
1+ Kiebsiella pneumonia ssp pneumoniae

  • Low levels of beneficial bacteria found
    (such as lactobacilli, bifidobacteria, clostridia and enteroccia)

  • Presence of yeast
    ( small amounts detected so not much of a concern)

  • Low levels of Secretory IgA
    secreted by mucosal tissue and represent the first line of defense of the CI mucosa and is central to the normal function of the GI tract as an immune barrier. Mental and physical stress as well as inadequate nutrition have been associated with low fecal sIgA concentrations. Synthesis and expression of aIgA requires adequate intake of the amino acid L-glutamine.

Should i be concerned about the presence of Group B Streptococcus , or Kiebsiella pneumoniae?
or
Wiki states that Kiebsiella pneumoniae is found in the’ normal flora of the mouth’…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klebsiella_pneumoniae
but yet it goes on to say that it can cause Klebsiella pneumonia …

I checked the information from the lab and they recommend a more detailed test: specifically a comprehensive Clostridium culture, or toxigenic C. difficile DNA test.
I’ll be following this up with my doc…

#38

How much was the test mate please and who did you use?

#39

ChrisC

Can’t remember the exact cost - think it was around £250.
It was one of the first tests recommended by my doc (Dr.McGovern).

The test was done by Breakspear hospital pathology.
Tel 0044 1442 867 286
When phoning, ensure that your test will include a DNA test. This is the test that -JN- is specifically recommending in this thread

I’m not sure if my tests included the DNA test though, i’m going to phone and check.

#40

Thanks for that.

#41

Noniman,

Look, I think you got the wrong test. Please get stool DNA parasitology test done.
Of note, I don’t think you should have yeast growing in your GI tract. Please check your body temperature.

You need to get

  1. Stool DNA parasitology test
  2. Live blood microscopy

Thanks

JN

#42

HI JN - I have checked my body temperature it is 36.5 degress…its normal?
are you practicing as a DR now?..where are you located?..I want to have a formal consultation with you…I Am in Australia…do you do sykpe consultations?..when you are talking about DR Greg Emerson are you referring to the Dr in Spring hills QLD Australia?..should I consult him?..I am very interested in approaching your theory.
please contact me at Llewellyn_samuels@hotmail.com
0415140917

#43

-JN- no longer practises as a doctor. If you must get similiar treatment/protocol, I think the next best choice is Dr.Greg Emerson. I haven’t read on him at all but I figured he taught him a lot of the same stuff he talked about.

#44

Please - listen to reason. Don’t waste your money on this shit. Its not parasites. Give you money to the Foundation so we can get more research funded. We already have Harvard and Baylor on our side…don’t fall for this bullshit.