Our problem is independent of Gender. please read

i do not agree with this post. hypothyroidism causes all of these…

  • it is well known that hypothyroidism can cause all type of hair issues

  • it is even more common for eyebrows to begin to disappear

  • Keep in mind that T3 regulates 3a-HSD. This enzyme is what converts DHT --> 3-ag-diol…so hypothyroid = low 3-ag-diol

  • also keep in mind that your tsh, t4, and t3 do not need to be low for you to be hypothyroid

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whether it is gender independent is what confuses me, as women do report some sides.

this sort of leads me to believe that, like you stated, it has to do with the pituitary (or more likely the hypothalamus). this would explain the lowered immunity, raised inflammation, lowered sex hormones, infections/inflamation to prostate, mental issues, etc, etc

again though, this is pretty much spot on with my theory in my member story thread…just sort of explained in a different fasion

i have a partial off topic question

just curious about hi dose of dht suppressors and trangender sides experience
there r no transg complaints about fina sides?

i heard there r some that have "all functioning " and want keep it

Yeah that’s another thing that takes the piss… You get transgender people taking 5 mg of finasteride twice a day and they complain about it not being strong enough, and they will always turn to normal.

they get affected as we do. there is story

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4891&p=34202#p34202

good response but if it is that simple then why suplementing hormone does not help here?
I have written about my neighbor he has been hypothyroid since 2002. no porblem. Even he did not feel any thing other than weight gain.Then at the same time while on thyriod meds he started finasteride , used for 3 -4 months. no sides. In 2008 he got diagnosed with severe vit D deficiency now he is taking vit D3 2000IU daily.

Because your T may be low. If you have high T3 and your sexual sides are still bad, then it should be because of low “net androgen levels”. In other words, your free T, E2, and prolactin levels should reflect how you feel.

because fixing thyroid is 100x more complex than people realize. it is a huge combination/steps of making sure everything is good.

  1. check cortisol/adrenals
  2. check iron levels
  3. check reverse t3 and free t3
  4. take synthetic t4/t3 or t3 based on whether reverse t3:free t3 ratio is over 20 or under 12…
  5. ***wait for rT3 to clear at 12 weeks if it was high and your on T3
  6. often times halfway through this step, you finally realize that your adrenals actually were shot, even though it didnt appear that way…and you have to start at #1 again
  7. find your sweet spot on t4/t3 or t3…too much and shbg rises causing free testosterone to lower.
  8. recheck where you are and make needed changes

like i said, it is very complex. definitely not as easy as just taking what the doctor prescribes and expecting to feel better the next day

I am not talking of my self there are many whose all numbers are perfect on the paper but still suffering let alone sexual sides many could not even stop muscle loss.

has any body read the post?

Please, provide an example. I acknowledge that there are people with good sex hormones (T, free T, E2, prolactin) but still sexual issues. But, as far as I know, these people’s cortisol was out of whack.

what do you mean out of whack?
I think Awor, Solonjk and JN know hell a lot more about hormones than you, keep in mind JN himself is a doctor. I know where are you coming from.you are following Chilln’s theory. How many have cured followoing his theory? Have you recover
ed yet?

JN cured himself (if he is still good?) by using the same principles as ChillNs theory. He did not know it at the time, because he didnt use the exact same meds and steps, but in essence he did the exact same thing. This is also what what cured my mental and physical weakness sides…

sp,
Can you answer my question instead of writing non sense? Provide an example of person with sexual sides despite good levels of ALL hormones (including cortisol). Thank you.

Yes, and also Dury, robocopp, and correiovip unconsciously used an analogous version of chilln’s guidelines – although these guys were a lot easier to fix than JN and required less steps.

Another case of a female getting sexual side effects…

soulcysters.net/showthread.php?239910-Effects-of-Flutamide-on-sex-drive

oh yes, i also found this

susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=85853.0

listen man! I am not going to answer any of your questions. This is not a TRT thread. I acknowledge I don’t have any answer to your theory, neither I am interested to find one. If you are so sure your theory then go and treat your self and come back and let us know about your success.I am sure Mew will shut down this web site after this wonderful discovery and we all will go home and live a happy life thereafter.

good find. I just briefly went through and surprised at similarities between thier and our sides.
It look like we and these ladies are having the same kind of Auto immune or inflmmantion or what ever problem you may call it.

www.flutamidehelp.com

As now we find it is independent of Gender the only possible cause seems to me is multiplesclorosis, although at selective level as it is not genetic but acquired in our case.

looking at symptoms of MS mult-sclerosis.org/mssymptoms.html and find they fit almost 90% to me. Especially my double vision (my vision is not weak but double like you paint a picture with double shades), my eye movement is also jerky.I also feel shaking in my hands, body etc. Movement is not fine and coordinated if you look at my old posts I have been complaining about Parkinson’s and Alzyhmer like feelings in me. Also under Coordination and Balance Symptoms you will seen nausea, which is most distrubing for me.
I dont think MS idea is a blind arrow in the air, It has been in focus by many.
1-This was first proposed by Alex Mille
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2577&p=14077&hilit=Multiple+sclerosis#p14077

The explanation to this is really easy: Real Multiple Sclerosis affects the brain and spinal chord. Most symptoms come from neurodegeneration in the brain then ED follows when the neurones of the spinal chord get demyelinated. Obviously, you see the effect of the brain damage first.

But: The brain has 5AR1 but the spinal chord has mainly 5AR2. Finasteride only inhibits 5AR2. I said the CONDITION at the spinal chord is the same. It’s not a real case of MS though since the brain is not as strongly affected of 5AR2 inhibition as the spinal chord. But I personally still think the brain is somewhat affected from peripheral neurosteroid inhibition although not as much as the spinal chord neurons.
This also explains why these neurological effects appear years after finasteride usage. It takes a longer period of time of allopregnanolone depletion for neurodegeneration to occur.
The symptoms of “brain fog” are definitely the same as demyelination of spinal chord motor neurons, as written in my first post.
Hope this answers your question."
2- There is one fin user Ahmed
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4887&p=39440&hilit=Multiple+sclerosis#p39440

Now look at the following prominent symptoms.

	[b]Visual Symptoms[/b]

Optic Neuritis: Blurred vision, eye pain, loss of colour vision, blindness
Diplopia: Double Vision

	[b]Motor Symptoms[/b]

Spasticity Loss of muscle tone causing stiffness, pain and restricting free movement of affected limbs
Dysarthria Slurred speech and related speech problems

Sensory Symptoms
Paraesthesia Partial numbness, tingling, buzzing and vibration sensations
Anaesthesia Complete numbness/loss of sensation
Neuralgia, Neuropathic and Neurogenic pain Pain without apparent cause, burning, itching and electrical shock sensations
L’Hermitte’s Electric shocks and buzzing sensations when moving head
Proprioceptive Dysfunction Loss of awareness of location of body parts
Trigeminal Neuralgia Facial pain

Coordination and Balance Symptoms
Ataxia Loss of coordination
Intention tremor Shaking when performing fine movements
Dysmetria Constant under- or overshooting limb movements
Vestibular Ataxia Abnormal balance function in the inner ear
Vertigo Nausea/vomitting/sensitivity to travel sickness from vestibular ataxia
Speech Ataxia Problems coordinating speech, stuttering

And now finally you guys must be looking for

Bowel, Bladder and Sexual Symptoms
Frequent Micturation, Bladder Spasticity Urinary urgency and incontinence
Flaccid Bladder, Detrusor-Sphincter Dyssynergia Urinary hesitancy and retention
Erectile Dysfunction Male and female impotence
Anorgasmy Inability to achieve orgasm
Retrograde ejaculation Ejaculating into the bladder
Frigidity Inability to become sexually aroused
Constipation Infrequent or irregular bowel movements
Fecal Urgency Bowel urgency
Fecal Incontinence Bowel incontinence

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