Pde5i only work for me when im around my g/f. When i try to masturbate, which i do very rarely, maybe when shes on period, they do very little for me.
I would encourage you to try it on with females, just dont get to drunk or they may not work. And hey if you do fail just eat her out.
Isn’t it ironic that fin fucked you up far worse than the roids you took ever could?
In a year or two browsing male hormone forums I’ve seen of maybe five cases at most of guys with long term ED from steroids. Compare that to us.
There are also probably at least as many men taking steroids than propecia, and I think it’s actually cheaper to do a cycle than to go with the brand name hair loss stuff at normal price. So even if you were a total chrome dome you could turn yourself into The Rock to compensate while saving yourself money and not having to worry about losing your mind and dick forever.
If roids done half as much damage as propecia the media would be all over it and no one would touch them, but 'cos a multi-billion dollar pharma company puts it out the truth is hidden for years.
The juice did its damage too…
My nuts are 12 ml probably half the size or less they used to be… they are the very bottom of the normal range or below normal depending on what scale you are using. What I think thou, is that the fina is stopping them from recovering their size somehow. I only did one cycle and I know guys who’ve stayed on longer and done many many more cycles who recovered ok.
I hope that if I/we someday recover from the fina effects that my nuts will regain some of their lost size as well.
HcG/HMG does not work for me.
Its quite an anomaly that my nuts are this size but my test lvls are over 800… but then again 80-90% of the testes are sertoli cells so thats where I probably lost most of my size and it means I might be infertile at the moment…
I have some ideas I am working on right now thou… hopefully they pan out I will of course keep everyone posted.
PS. I took a little too large of a dose of yohimbe last night not gonna do that again… it gave me a shit ton of energy actually couldn’t sleep but felt mentally fired up. But now today my junk is shriveled up worse than ever WTF!
Brocken Pecker, have you injected yourself with triptorelin yet?
Ihave done a lot of research about it and it really seems to be the “ultimate PCT”… Even Dr Crisler has used it with a young hypogonadal male with success recently…
musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?14371-Triptorelin/page2&highlight=Triptorelin
Here is a triptorelin PCT log, but the user did something very stupid : using the triptorelin alongside with clomid which he stopped because of exploding balls
prohormoneforum.com/post-cycle-therapy/42543-triptorelin-log.html
I also have triptorelin on the way… Once I finish my clomid/nolva PCT (I did a 7 weeks Hdrol cycle), I will check my sex hormones and try a single triptorelin shot if the “recovery” doesnt stick. I am now mid-PCT and feeling great, although still have ED.
By the way I have quite a lot of 100mcg triptorelin ampoules (décapeptyl) and wont need them all (got them for free… you can ask me how in PM). I could give some away if it really proves beneficial for our condition.
Why are you trying that stuff?
More info on triptorelin
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20416868
Interesting BB discussions about triptorelin as PCT
primordialperformance.com/discussion/anabolic-steroids-pro-hormones/5531-triptorelin-pct.html
steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/598571-triptorelin.html
afboard.com/forum/showthread.php?42269-Triptorelin-for-PCT-BIG-NEWS!
steroidology.com/forum/peptide-science/602895-more-evidence-gnrh-triptorelin-pct.html
I think this quote by Dr Crisler is important if someone wants to try it (at his own risk)
if pure dht and test dont help people recover, then i highly doubt a “pct” with anything, including triptorelin, will make much of an impact.
Golf, we are all different in here. When I was on Hdrol I felt amazing (although still had ED). Started feeling worse at the end of the cycle, along with a beginning of testicular atrophy. While on HCG + AI i felt amazing again, now Im on clomid+nolva and feel great, although still ED. I have no brain fog, mood is great, energy is great. So in my case, more test helps. Even though an HPTA restart isnt a complete solution (it doesent seem to resolve my ED problems, not yet at least), it is proving highly beneficial for me at least. So after a 1 month clomid/nolva course, i will do the triptorelin shot if my test levels arent high 2 weeks after the last nolva dose.
You are right to “doubt”, but I am willing to ACT anyway. I had been suffering from PFS for more than 5 years now.
EDIT
Oh, and proviron, even in high dose, didnt do much for me, and I have to add that I have kept losing hair even post-fin, and my beard have kept growing hard, which means I havent been lacking DHT that much.
I now beleive I have a prostate problem and will adress this very soon.
Now, brocken_pecker, sorry for the thread hijack… But i still want to know if you plan to use the triptorelin or not.
Yes I took the triptorelin… didn’t have any effect on my ball size… maybe I should try it with clomid like the guy you spoke of.
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It’s been just over a year since I came off fina and I thought I would give a update.
I have seen some improvement in some areas some of which seems to be from my own medication experimentation. Some areas of my life have become much more difficult however.
My sleep has improved considerably in that I can now sleep 5-8 hours of “mostly” uninterrupted sleep, and I do not “twitch” and shake as much as I used to during sleep as compared to my first 1-7 months off. I do however talk in my sleep now and have bad dreams allot which I usually cant remember very long after waking up. Also I wake up with allot more pain in my body for some reason which is new and can sometimes be attributed to aging, but at 28? I don’t know.
I now do sometimes have morning erections, maybe 3 or 4 days a week varying immensely in their strength from day to day. This began happening around the time I took T3 to help manage the lack of T3 uptake I was getting from super high cortisol lvls. I took the T3 for maybe a month and then came off and I began to wake up with morning erections from time to time.
My flaccid state is still, most of the time smaller then I remember and my testicles and scrotum are squeezed up against my body most of the day. Which tends to be very very uncomfortable.
I still have ZERO sex drive and can recall feeling horny maybe 3 times in the past year. I can get an erection but it varies in strength and longevity widely and cialis seems to help alittle, numbness is still present as well.
My anxiety has lessen considerably as well as my depression, which is strange as I have all but lost my job… I have been put on extended unpaid medical leave from work without pay…
My loads are still reduced severely most of the time but occasionally decent sized, consistency varies as well.
I am looking forward to Awors research and will help in anyway I can. i believe we should hold on more wild speculation until we hear from that study. When I first got on this website I was a proponent of auto-immune and 5-AR-2 disruption theories but I am holding off on any additional experimentation until we have more knowledge.
I am not on the site as much as I used to be as I was getting sick of seeing everyone throwing around random and inconsistent theories, and it made me feel worse everytime to read one of these theories then someone tried it and it didn’t work out. I’m glad there are so many of you willing to put in time and research but I urge some caution when self experimenting as you can further damage yourself, I myself was concerned about taking T3 for too long but I seem to be ok in that regard. I will probably go and get some new bloodwork done in the near future.
Wish everyone luck in this new year and hopefully we will make allot more progress in this year as much as we made last year, hang in there.
Quick update:
I started supplementing with T3 again to try to improve my side effects using a relatively modest protocol. I was taking low doses 12.5 mcg/day for two weeks then coming off for two weeks and going back on and so forth. Well overall I didn’t notice any benefits doing this for the last two months and unfortunately it seems I am longer getting my nocturnal erections like I had been the several months prior. This makes no sense to me as I thought I had been making progress with the T3 prior to this. I will give it some more time as the benefits from T3 use seem to be delayed in many of us who try it.
Other than that on a personal level my life has gotten even worse. My job is has been dragging out trying to fire me (probably because firing someone over a medical condition is legally very touchy even in my line of work). My lawyer is fighting them with me every step of the way but they are really trying to use everything against me, their psych they sent me to even went as far as to say that I have a mood disorder unrelated to finasteride use that I have had my own life basically trying to imply that I was messed up before this stuff. Which is absolutely preposterous, I have no record whatsoever to indicate such, in fact in my academy class I was one of the first 3 to be “cleared” for security clearance because I have no record of legal, financial or personal issues. My GF might leave me, its been very hard on her and I am upset that she has had to go through this with me. She helped me when few else would so I am trying to do everything in my power to hold the relationship together, even if it means I may have to take a job that pays substantially less.
I am hopeful we will find a cure to this one day. I am hopeful that the current research that is going on, while it may not cure us will in fact help us uncover at least some of the mystery that is behind this condition.
Hello mate,
I really feel for you. I am pretty much going through the exact same thing as you in the UK (i think we also both share symptoms a la ‘the full whammy’), I took the drug a short time frame also and came off around the same time, now having work and relationship problems as a result of this mess. I’ve clearly managed to hold it together just over the year mark same as you, but there’s only so much people can take before they forget who we were and now think we are who we are now. It’s awful, but we have to face it.
All i can say is hang in there pal. Keep fighting it one way or another, keep experimenting with things to see what works, while being careful at the same time.
Cheers
Chi
Hello Chi,
does your text imply that this particular someone that isn’t you that prodcued GHB has hit a deadend with that stuff?
A short update would be highly appreciated!
Today is my last day as United States Special Agent. Dispite the fact that two doctors including Dr. Jacobs wrote on my behalf stating finasteride was responsible for my depression and that as long as I don’t take finasteride again my depression should not return as I am at no greater risk then anyone else for depression.
The Special Agent in Charge of my area of responsibility still sided with the un-informed and biased agency doctor and said I can become depressed again because I am somehow pre-disposed to it and am therefore somehow a “risk”. Even thou, the only person I ever even felt like hurting at all when I came off the finasteride was just myself. And I did nothing wrong to anyone, and my work was satisfactory dispite going through the more severe finasteride side effects.
I was offered a “slap in face” accomidation job that pays half my current salary with no room for upward mobility, either that or I could go on disability. My lawyer can appeal this to the federal courts but I looked up the rate of overturned terminations and it is 2%, thus, statistically there is a 98% chance I would lose the appeal.
If this isn’t overturned I can never work in law enforcement or the military again anywhere. I spent 9 years of education and work experience just trying to get the job only to have it taken away after only having it for 2.5 years.
The only thing I can do is try to transfer out to another federal job in another agency somewhere hopefully with better chances for upward mobility.
My girlfriend of one year left me 6 weeks ago, right before this really all hit the fan… I anticipated this but its not any easier. I told her this would be tough and that I was suffering and she promised she would stick it out with me but as I thought, one year of it was just too much for her. I tried calling her the other night just to talk because I am 2300 miles away from my family and friends, on the Mexican border… with not many people around here. She emailed me this morning and asked me not to call her and text her anymore as she has a new boyfriend…
After all of this the worst thing is I honestly am a lot better than I was this time last year, concerning finasteride side effects at least. Its sad, to think if I just could have held it together for 6-7 more months or discovered some of things that have helped me sooner (like minipress, T3) I may still have my job and GF.
With that said, what has happened has utterly destroyed me mentally. Almost like the depression and dispair I had from the finasteride but I can feel its different because its not the “artificial” depression and sadness finasteride induced. It took me 14 months to feel any better from the finasteride side effects but from what has happened to me as a result I don’t think I will ever recover mentally. I will have to live with this for the rest of my life.
I know many of you here can understand and relate in some cases because similar things have happened to you. I am sorry for the aggresive posts I made as of late… it actually wasn’t anything personal I was kind of experimenting and trying to see if I could cause enough anger to induce people to act. Anger and hate are powerful motivators but it probably wasn’t the best idea considering everyone here is suffering pretty bad.
I’m not sure where I am going to go from here. I haven’t been truly suicidal because of this yet but I can feel myself close to that place where finasteride put me but I think since some of the side effects have been reduced I maybe strong enough to cope with this on some level if I keep my mind occupied. Which is why I have no problem talking to anyone here about their problems, it keeps my mind off my own problems just a little bit.
I have lost much, essentially everything, first my health, then my significant other, and now my career… more than I can bare to think about sometimes. I was a VERY STRONG 22 year old man, 5’11" 208 pounds bench pressing 345 lbs, my body/mind are/were devestated. I reached my goals and then had them stripped from me. I had somone who loved me, cared for me and helped me get through some of the worst of this but she is gone now.
And now even if one day I am 100% cured of “PFS” and even if the FDA and medical doctors everywhere know of the dangers of 5AR2 inhibitors and they are banned and medically documented to be dangerous… I can never get my old career back or work in another career like it. And everywhere I go I will carry a stigma, like I am a crazy person, like I was always someone who was mentally messed up… even thou I was a happy, life of the party, gung-ho, young 22 year old man before I met finasteride.
All I can say is that there is no justice. There is no punishment that be bestowed upon those responsible for all our suffering that can make up for what their poison has done to us. If they were whipped, beaten, and cruxified over the course of a month it would not make up for this… what they did to so many. I curse the day P. Roy Vagelos thought it would be a good idea to make a drug that inhibits DHT. I curse the man himself, if he had died at birth, he would never have gone to that conference where he intially got the idea for finasteride. And we all would be living our lifes…
This might be the closing of this thread for me. I stopped actively posting here awhile ago. But the title of the thread holds little bearing for me now. I think one day we will be cured of this completely, I don’t know when but I do think we are on the right track and it will happen. Unfortunately the damage has been done for me, I still have my life, but I lost things that made it a good life.
I have a friend 12 years in this hell and I have 32 years Howrah and sometimes I lose patience. I’m more frustrated than ever. my life is a mess. but ingestion of 5htp has helped me so much and I see a light at the end of the tunnel. at this rate things are going in 2 years or less and will be the stem cells for baldness and we sunk in pfs. that misfortune. have to have faith and patience.
Health gone.
Body broken.
Mind broken
Girlfriends gone.
Career gone.
No one understands.
All alone.
Can’t feel good again.
Lost.
Outcast.
Its not my fault, I was one of the good guys.
How much suffering can one take before it isn’t worth it anymore?
No sleep, no sleep, no sleep. No sleep. No sleep. No sleep. No sleep. No sleep. No sleep, no sleep.
Can’t sleep, really losing it tonight.
Logic and reason no longer hold me up.
No justice.
No peace.
Just sadness.
hey man, i feel you.
i had these same feelings tonight and literally had to just leave the house and my family for a while. i just sat down at the beach and stared at the water for a while. i just sat there and stared.
why is the craziest question in all of this man. it just seems impossible.
dont give up. every day that goes by means we are one day closer. i know these days are wasted. but, when we do get out of this mess, life will be s much sweeter than it ever would have been. dont give up man.
believe me, i know how you are feeling. dont give up. we are here for you man. we will make it to the end. you have to believe it.
Things will get better… I know your upset about your job loss… There is always light at the end of the tunnel! Whether you like it or not. Do not give up. That is weak. Your not Weak. Better yourself.
When the dream dies, only the nightmares remain.