I have posted my new blood test. Would you guys be able to provide me with feedback? Thank you so much.
Josh
Well your T levels are fine and would be even higher if you had them drawn between 7 and 8 am
I agree with Jim, you testosterone is propably not the problem here.
However, your high TSH indicate a thyroid problem. You raelly should have a Free T3 test to see whats going on.
Read more here:
http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/
JH
Your testosterone doesnt look too bad. The total is really only mid-range though - I dont know what that means since your free T is clearly up there.
I wouldnt mind seeing a DHT level. Your T may be ok, but you still might not be converting to DHT. Any chance of getting a DHT blood test? Also your LH and FSH are low which tells me that regardless of your fairly normal T levels, your pituitry is a little sluggish. Have you tried anything like clomid to see if you can kick start it?
And yes I agree that you need to get a T3 to see whats really going on with your thyroid. Your thyroid is the gas pedal for all of your hormones.
Hypo, have you got anyhting to add to this? I would love to hear your opininon on this one.
Yes, I will get a new blood test in the next two weeks. What does T3 test for? Thanks for all the informative replies.
My main problem at this point is abdominal pain, pain and discomfort in the testicles (a burning like sensation in my testicles, like they are being slowly fried), ED, and low to non-existent libido. Also, my shit comes out in little pieces, not quite diarrhea, as I only go once a day.
I have had another look at your blood work and had a chat to a mate about it too who is fairly knowledgable with this stuff and we both reckon you are hypogonadal. A testosterone level of 500 first thing in the morning is not high enough. Your LH is lowish but ok, but your FSH is too low as well wich makes me think youve got a problem with your HPTA.
And that means that most of us are in the same boat since theres a stack of us with almost identical numbers.
What treatment options do I have for hypogonadism?
What is HPTA?
Thanks,
Josh
I found this information on Wickepedia:
Hypogonadism may be induced by chronic use of anabolic/androgenic steroids (AAS). The negative-feedback system of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis (HPTA) shuts down pituitary production of gonadotropins after extended exposure to AAS. This has been documented both in patients receiving AAS for legitimate medical reasons such as AIDS or cancer as well as athletes using AAS illicitly.
Hypogonadism may persist for some time after steroid use is discontinued.
Hypo-thalamic Pituitary Axis, regulates hormones such as T/E via LH/FSH via feedback loop between your testes and brain.
Do a google search for more info… check www.propeciasideeffects.com…. read more posts in the Medical Research section…
Treatment options for Hypogonadism depend if its primary or secondary. I’m no doc but it could range from trying Nolvadex, Clomid, hCG, or TRT… the guys over at MesoRX can give you more advice in this area…
Yes I would jump on Meso and run it by them. Better still, go to the hypogonadism yahoo group where phil is. He really knows his stuff.
I dont have a link but google hyogonadism2 yahoo group and somthing should come up.
Any chance of getting that put up as a sticky as well? Maybe even the Meso site too?
If I were you, I would probably try clomid to see if you could restart your own T production. Failing that maybe HCG on its own, but I have no idea what dose when using it on its own. Failing that, there is always TRT with HCG. You really need to get in touch with a guy like Dr Crisler, or Dr Shippen IMO.
Its looks like your HPTA thinks there is enought testosterone in your system and is not signaling to produce more. This is where HCG could really help I think, if clomid didnt work. But again, I cant stress enough the importance to do this under the care of a knowledgable doctor. Your whole body needs to be taken into consideration and what works for one may be dangerious for another.
Terrible advice, your “Mate” has no idea what he is talking about !
A 521 T level at 10am is no where near Hypoganadal and would be in the high 500’s or low 600’s had he done the test after a full nights sleep between 7 and 8 am.
LH " pulses" every few minutes and the only way to get an accurate test is to draw blood 4 times over an hour and take an average
Josh you do not need TRT, remember TRT is for life so you will be taking drugs and trying to balance T and E2 forever.
No Dr in the US will treat a 521 T level because it’s basically illegal since you are well in the referance range and T is a class 3 drug
I agree that TRT is for life. But it has been over a year i think…how long ago did you get off finasteride Josh? For me, one year is long enough to wait for this to reverse itself. Failing that, you really need to start trying things. I am in no way advicing that he just randomly goes and starts doing TRT. Thats why I said go and see either Dr Crisler or Dr Shippen.
I am just trying to give him an option if all else fails. PCT would be number one. You just never know, getting his T level up a bit could mean all the difference. Also I say TRT, not just for testosterone production, but DHT as well. If he was to go onto a gel, he would usually produce more DHT from it than what his own body is prducing with his 500 T level. You probably would know that a lot (not all) of us have low DHT levels.
I also agree that it is not purely hormonal. But there have been guys who do recover once their hormones are optimal.
Again all of this should be run by a doctor and never tried on your own.
Thanks for all of your advice. I will get another blood test within the next two weeks and will get back with you. It has been 11 months since I quit.