Total T is too low, you played Russian roulette quitting cold but at least after two weeks you were one of the lucky ones.
I would just try and live healthily, get some Sustain Alpha and hit the gym - you don’t sound a serious case. Don’t drink to that though.
Testosterone Total 343 Range 280- 800
Test Free 13.7 Range 8.8-27
SHBG 14 Range 13-71
DHEA-SO4 337 Range 45-380 ug/DL
Total test seems low, what do you make of these guys?
I’d agree. How bad are your sides now?
You need to boost your T.
naturally? I bought some Sustain Alpha testosterone 3 pack that I will try. But when I experienced my recovery for FIVe months my total T was still only about 425 or so but I will definitely try to get t levels higher.
My sides aren’t that bad but libido is the big problem, along with lack of spontaneous/few morning erections…
If your asking me, I’m going to say naturally, of course. It is possible.
New bloods:
Test Total 343 Range 280-800
LH 3.3 Range 1.7-8.6
FSH 2.1 Range 1.5-12.4
DHEA Sulfate 285 Range 125-619ug/dL
SBHG 16 Range 13-71
Prolactin 6.9 Range 4.04-15.20
They are mostly the same all the time. Uro might prescribe Clomid.
Serum DHT by Tandem Mass Spectrometry
DIhydrotestosterone LC-MS/MS – 192.0 pg/mL Range is 106 - 719
Seems kind of low to me and i feel like this could be the issue. Are there ways to raise this without drugs?
New blood results with Clomid everyday about 12.5 mg
Test total — 638 Ranges 280-800
LH 4.9 Ranges 1.7 to 8.6
FSH 2.7 Ranges 1.5 to 12.4
Estardiol 32.44 Ranges 7.63 to 42.59
Prolactin 5.0 Ranges 4.04 to 15.20
DHEA Sulftate 216 Ranges 125 to 619
SHGB 16 Rnages 13-71
Estradiol (free) will be available tomorrow, not really sure what this is, doc said it is like free t but only estradiol.
My input is such, I am feeling a little better, better erections, more energy however no real spontaneous erections and morning/nighttime ones vary, some are better stronger than others.
My instinct tells me that if I was just suffereing from low T, I would be MUCH better now, however this is not the case and as we all know it is a little more complicated. I will continue on the Clomid and see what happens for the next month or so but am a little frustrated that I am not feeling better than I am…
Any thoughts? comments?
Mike
The problem with chlomid and nolvadex is they make you feel worse regardless. Even if they fix the hormonal issues, most people feel like crap on them. Only after you’ve been off them for awhile and your hormones remain (hopefully) normal do you feel better.
Though apparently toremephine is one of the SERMs where this isn’t an issue.
Where did you get that information from regarding being off clomid and seeing results? Like I said in my post, I don’t feel like crap just obviosly not optimal…
Why would you have to be off the clomid to then start feeling better?
What are you cortisol levels at?
Didn’t test Cortisol, am having them done for my bloods with my endocrinologist…
I am just concerned right now about the estradiol levels, I really do not want them to go out of range…
Mike,
I have been using clomid for over a year now at varying dosage levels. It can make estradiol, and hence SHBG rise which negate some of the effects of the increased total testoterone (see My Recovery Via Clomid thread in Recoveries). High SHBG = low fre testosterone.
Like several post fin cases here (including my own) your FSH has not quite risen out of the secondary hypogonadal range despite ~ 87 mg/week of clomiphene and good LH and T response to the drug. I would strongly urge you to have inhibin B checked, as high levels of this will suppress FSH. Off clomiphene I am > 3x normal inhibin levels, and on clomiphene I am still greater than 50% above normal levels.
What are you doing for estradiol control (you need to start thinking about this as your level is over 30)? Avoid zinc as its a 5AR2 suppressor, as is DIM, nettle root and others. In my case I am using Paleo/Primal Blueprint style diet and exercise to drop my body fat percentage as low as possible, as body fat will raise estradiol levels. Vitamin C is a good option but be aware that your body can only absorb about 250 mg/day (I take about 200 mg twice a day). Topical (liposomal) chrysin and ariginine based growth hormone secretagogue also seem to help control E levels but the later must be cycled.
Ultimately, I believe the response variable we will need to control to is Adiol-G.
Kazman,
Thank you for your thoughtful response. My head is fucking swimming now. I really don’t know what to do about controlling estradiol. I am working out 3x a week, running and weights, eating a relatively healthy diet, taking fish oil daily as well as tribulus and maca and l-arginine before bed.
I don’t even know what the fuck a “secretagogue” is.
I want to control E. Have you been able to keep yours in check?
Also my SHGB is low, which is good so my free T should be good as well.
Thoughts?
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Sea kelp lowers estadiol, not sure what else it does though. It’d be good to find a natural anti-e substance instead of drugs.
Do you think that I should take the clomid every other day? My estrogen level is not that high but in mid range. Also my SHBG is low which is good so not sure…
My urologist wasn’t there yesterday so Ihad to meet with his assistant who wasn’t really helpful, I felt I knew more than her…
Stick with the clomid for a while for more chance of success both on the drug and when you come off it.
When you come off the clomid are you suposed to reap the benefits of taking the medication?? Not sure I really understand this and have tried to research it…
Well it raises LH levels by blocking the estrogen negative feedback loop. But it also blocks estrogen in other places as well, which is why a lot of people feel like crap on it. Some guys get very “emotional” on it, and cry more easily, most feel fatigued and “blah”, but once they are off it your hormones should be normalized and estrogen is no longer blocked.
I find the best place for chlomid feedback is bodybuilding forums and the like.