Is there any body who did not use any thing (no SERM, no HCG, no herbs). He has just relied on time to improve his T level. Please share your experience.
Is there really a difference between recovering using herbs and time alone? surely these herbs only help a little, nothing permanent. I am trying to heal naturally, but then I don’t have the worst side effects.
so you don’t have low T?or you had low T but no more now?
Time doesn’t heal hypogonadism let alone whatever fucked up mess we are in. It would likely just lead to a worsening of symptoms.
OH MY GOD THE HORROR THE HORROR!!!
Luckfax if u are so depressed why not try HCG shots. there is good info on muscelchatroom.com. some people cycle HCG with low dose.
I myself becoming serious to go on HCG. will wait couple of more months and then will start hcg. just waiting for my blood result.
I’m starting to make more and more T with my current HCG dose (100 IU of ovidrel ED), to the point I’m having to stop T shots.
It went from 300 to 800 providing by HCG only in 6 months.
musclechatroom.com/forum/sho … hlight=hcg
It seems my testis were functioning less than optimally because of my untreated long term hypothyroidism (hashimoto) and CFS.
I’m quite tempted to try to stop the TRT and give the body a chance to catch up. I’m 30 and would love to let nature do it’s job as I want to have babies (at least for now, I know TRT is great for aging males).
How long would it take to try and know if my HPTA is working great on itself? It has been inhibited for 9 months and I’m worry that it might not come back.
Could I discuss stopping TRT with my doctor and retesting in 4 weeks, would that be enough (or too long for nothing)
Thx!
Propecia Side Effects used hcg via Shippen and it didn’t seem to do much. There was actually a guy who said it brought back his libido but he was in otherwise good health and don’t think he had severe ed.
I completly disagree with this statement,I have talked to at least a dozen guys who are completly healed from doing nothing.Positive attitude is the first step to healing my friend.
There is a huge difference from using herbs to using nothing. When cycled properly they have a dramatic effect on sexual function and libido. It always cracks me up when people discount herbs as effective as nothing. I bet the people that took Saw Palmetto which is a natural herb wished it was as effective as nothing…
Fact is these herbs are powerful and when used correctly, work.
I don’t know whos says herbs are not effective. I say they are effective as hell but I am concerned that there is no data about herbs and you don’t know what you are feeding to your body. Almost every day I ready a story about the side effects from herbs. Saw palmetto is not the only herb to cause hypogonadism, there are many, and are claimed to heal sexual problem where in fact they destroy your liver.
Luckfax we all are different. Here some guys have gone on TRT and claim they r feeling a lot better while some did not get any befits. I have tens of email where fin sufferes are getting benefits from TRT.
What I meant by that is that I can physically have sex and ejaculate, maybe 2-3 times in a night, I occasionally have a random erection, I have some libido (maybe 40 percent of what it was) from what I understand, there are people on this forum that have been made impotent and suffer from severe depression from the drug, so I am assuming the worst symptoms are ones like this?
What do you guys on this forum actually count as totally crashed/ worst side effects?
Severe ED, cognitive dysfunction, complete libido loss, muscle wastage, depression, various hormones decreased or out of whack. Obviously you don’t need to be as severe as this though but I would term a ‘crash’ as someone who has acquired significant post-fin problems which at some stage require hormonal treatment.
Can you list these people please.
I don’t believe Mew has attempted any treatment. Maybe that is the way to go until the research points us toward something. Paleo diet, lots of rest, multi vit and some natural supps. I’ve tried several treatment protocols which have done nothing for me. The only person I can think of who got better was Dury via a course of clomid treatment. Then again, I’m not sure if he was a definate PFS case. I don’t recall his vit d or 3 adiol G labs. When I say “diet” it means STRICT diet. Which is easier than it sounds especially if you work alot and are single.
Generally speaking it seems that mental sides improve “somewhat” for most. Frankly I’ve been very depressed last few days for some reason. Almost to the extent I was right after crash which brings back some pretty shitty memories. It seems sexual sides are much more persistent. Which is another reason I think some defect of the AR gene signal is at play likely among other issues. Just my opinion of generally how this goes for most.
I’m going to see a homepathic doctor. She has pretty good medical cred. Shes a naturopath and an MD. Yale medical school, Penn undergrad. I want to naturally boost my T and focus on overall health until we have a target to treat.
Try to remember that the people posting constantly are just a few people on this forum. There are people getting better, you just don’t hear about them. As i found out from the 100 + PM’s i sent out.
The overall picture is very grim, sure. But there are people getting better. I dragged two of them from the woodworks from my PM’s.
I gotta agree with bigmike about the positive attitude. As I read more and more about epigenetics it is interesting how much positive thinking comes into play. It’s a bit of a catch 22. How do you be positive when you have complete ED, your penis is half its original size and your body seems to be falling apart in the prime of your life?
It’s a myth I’m afraid that there are 1400, or even 400 for that matter, “healed” PFS sufferes. I’ve seen here there are a few but have no way of knowing for sure. For example, I’ve never seen a rock bottom 3 adoil G or vit d completely and consistently return to normal levels yet. We have a condition which by definiton is persistent. If there were any confirmed recoveries I wonder if it would be of value to genetically compare that population to a population of those of us still here. I’m sure someone has thought of this before so I’m assuming we lack that sample of “healed” sufferers.
i wasn’t saying that there are 400 or 1400, where did you get those figures from?
I am just saying that i got PM’s back from long term sufferers that were making progress to recovery and i dragged two of them out the woodwork to post and confirm almost complete recovery.
PFS sufferers that got hit with the severe sides - recovery is obviously incredibly rare 
Bigmike claims that he knows at least 20 guys getting better - still waiting for some usernames on that.
Until the point you contacted them, did they report their “almost complete” recoveries on the forum?
If not, was there any particular reason? Just wondering.
Who are these users you mention???