Is it possible to measure 5AR level in the blood?

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#7

Look back to where we stood 10 over years ago when I joined this forum, and then subsequently co-founded the PFS Foundation. Almost no doctors had heard about the Post-Finasteride Syndrome, and we initially did not have a single scientist on our side.

Compare that to where we are now. We have over 40 publications and a much better understanding of what’s going on. More is in the works, and I am hopeful that the Baylor publication will take us another huge step forward. The biotech tools are improving at the speed of light, with tons of research going into things like CRISPR, hybrid sequencing, and generally cost of those tools coming down rapidly. This whole AR overexpression theme is being looked at from various angles now, ranging from prostate cancer to endocrine disruptors, which will further help improve our understanding and possibly bring about therapeutic approaches.

Specially for young people, time is on your side. Also, do not underestimate your bodys’ ability to heal (I improved quite a bit over the years, and I am a bad case). Please give it more time, and do not take any decisions with a final an irreversible outcome. Please also consider the drastic effect such an action would have on your family and beloved ones.

Guys, please hang in there.

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#8

I don’t believe in a cure made by pharma. But I believe you can get a level where you can live normally. Question is: where is your profile (symptoms)? Have you done research here? I mean huge! research. When you would have started doing different analysis and treatment. In Germany, there are great opportunities. Best

#9

I had 30+ symptoms. All of your sides and more. Anhedonia and insomnia were killers. Not able to read one line. Not able to memorize one! word. Suicidal thoughts every day for hours in a row for at least two months. Two suicidal attempts.

You need to be patient and do huge research here. It took me 5 months of every day research to get an overview and all reasonable protocols.
You only can cure yourself by trying things and asking. So, feel free to ask concrete questions.
I know your symptoms and have an idea what to analyse etc. Most ppl here are stuck cause they don’t analyse certain things and forget that pfs can cause coexistent diseases like mono, myco, Morbus, leaky etc. So, welcome first.

#10

Awor, these are obviously good news in general. But the individual doesn’t understand what’s going on with him. So, unfortunately, research does not bring them any benefits in the short term. They need a comprehensive protocol to get better. I posted one on ha…st…s. but was banned from that Russian guy cause I found out he has NPD (narcisstic personal disorder).
Maybe a member there and here can copy paste that.
I asked yourself certain things re your state and treatments. I don’t know if I can help. But I have got a good insight of all possible steps. And I tried crazy things (from infusions to just supps). I am a crazy badly affected guy of pfs. I have not seen so far any guy having this amount of symptoms. But I have tested a lot and done. I hope you write me a pm re your current symptoms. I will answer asap. Best

#11

Didnyou do the test?

#12

I make posts like the one earlier because it is often very painful to be alive, and it’s not because of my sexual symptoms (though they are awful). Something has changed in my brain, and oftentimes the only emotions I’m feeling are negative ones and to a very powerful degree, far more powerful than I could have conceived before this started. I am trying hard everyday.

@awor Know that the work you, Axolotl, the pfs foundation and others are doing is one of the only things keeping me going. I’m so very grateful you’re doing what you’re all doing. We as sufferers would be completely lost without your work. So thank you again.

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#13

What test? 3alpha diol g?

#14

Have you a member log where we can see your tests and treatments? If not, do it asap. It is easier to help you this way. Best

#15

exactly…

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#16

No, haven’t done so far as not every lab can test that. In your case, I would do that ASAP.
Rising dht levels by taking supps/drugs can uprise 5ar activity. Best

#17

Why would you do it in my case?

#18

So I just found back some test I have done 2 months after stopping Finasteride in 2011:

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#19

I cannot explain everybody why to do some tests due to lack of time. You know what function it has? It is your decision.
.Analysis: T3 too high. Research plz. Some guys cured themselves by adding T3.
Estra is a bit low. .Testo (all) are middle range - never seen before! Even dht.
Prog is the double. You are not alone:)
Program tries to keep potassium in the cell. Ratio sodium / potassium is important.

My suggestion: do the blood parameters I suggested Kitsunebi.
You need latest ones. We cannot do anything without them.
Where can I find all your symptoms?
What symptoms got better?
What treatments so far? Merci.

#20

@noprop thanks for taking the time to answer.

Yes I will do further test:

My symptoms since 2011:

I was quite impotent for 1,5 years then now I’m recovered about 80% still have less pleasure a bit soft penis skin and 50% anhedonia.

I have to mention that I have no more ejaculation pressure, seems my semens are going out of a dry tube.

Panic attack had a lot last year when I restart topical fin for 6 months, when I stop I had one year of panic attack and high stress for nothing. Was unable to have a work and to sleep properly 5 bad night a week of less than 5 hours sleep.

Now I have recover from panic attack without any med, I always to recover naturally as the body is an homeostasis world I do not want to take other medicine to recover. I eat well (keto diet help me a lot) try to exercice and do mindfullness exercice for stress.

  • i add Ginkgo Biloba infusion 3 times per day, 5HTP supplements because my serotonin was super low, magnesium and sometimes zinc.

I would like to say that I feel like 70% recovered but still have some side of my life who are much harder then before, like resisting to stress and having arguments with someone feel so difficult for me to handle now without feeling panicked.

My prolactine was a bit high to something near 23 and max was 15. I used to have 50, 2 year ago.

I’m 31 and took finasteride when I was 23 year old.

#21

Thats quite a huge range of symptoms.

Anhedonia:lets do also a comprehensive stool test.
Anhedonia can be cured. Intermittent fasting. Detoxing by Gluthatione, NAC. Diet.
ARL Hairtest could be helpful. Provoking test metals useful.

Check what I wrote to the Italian guy re Tests.

Thats all for now. Do them asap. You could be surprised!

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#22

Hi @EDDYS

Same for me, after 1 year recovered a lot but still fighting this problem.

Had low Dopac and Serotonine, high Noradrenaline and Adrenaline in my last neurotransmitter test.

Got prescribed Ashwagandha to lower Adrenaline and 5HTP to get up Serotonine.

For Dopac elevation i got L-Tyrosine, Magnesium, Copper, vit C, vit B6, vit B9 and vit B12.

Unfortunately after 3 weeks of taking it now i still have this problems. But my doc told me to take it for 4 months at least…

#23

I would check for cooper levels in hair and blood and even urine.
Copper overload can be really toxic. Just my opinion.

#24

Hi @noprop

Copper was 626 ug/L (800-1300 ug/L)

So it was to low… But i read that low copper in blood can also mean that the liver can’t get rid of the copper and that you have to much copper in the liver.

#25

hair would be interesting too!

To get rid of copper you could take Enterosgel.
I read copper toxicity can be a problem. Best

#26

HI @zodiacs thanks for your answers. Do you know which test should I undertake to measure Adrenaline and Noradrenaline, Dopac?

I managed to boost up my serotonin levels x2 with 5HTP.

Hope to find a cure soon…

Did you guys continue to lose hair after discontinuation?