I guess Avodart, since it’s a superior drug. Those drugs are usually prescribed to old men that have gone through andropause. They’re unlikely to be able to notice any difference, unless they get severe side effects. I suspect most of them couldn’t give a shit about their sexual function anyway, as long as they’re able to pee. It’s a different story for young men at their sexual peak, who’re using it to treat hair loss.
You missed the point of the question. All of that is obvious. I mean, is it prescribed to a lot of men apart from really old dudes? 40-50 will give a shit about their sexual funtion and definitely WILL notice changes.
Also, not all older men go through andropause - more don’t than do i think.
A lot of men notice symptoms of andropause in their 30’s. Symptoms of enlarged prostate usually only occurs in old men. I don’t see how I missed the point either, like I said, it’s more likely that they prescribe Avodart anyway, because it’s a superior drug. Loss of morning erection is a common sign of that something is wrong. If they already have lost it, maybe have softer erections, and not are able to perform as often as they used to, how will they know?
The testosterone production declines gradually as we age. This is inevitable for all men. I guess that it depends on how much you produce to begin with, when it comes to symptoms of andropause in the 30’s.
Do you have a reference to back this up? I have heard hormone production peaks at about 30 and starts a gradual descent. However when I hear andropause it sounds a lot like menopause that isn’t generally associated with women until their late 40’s or 50’s.
This might help…
Andropause before 40 is very uncommon surely. Men wouldn’t father children and have daily sex with their partners until 60 or so otherwise.
Some even argue that andropause for many men simply doesn’t happen. Although obviously at about 60-70 thing drop off heavily compared to twenties.
I’ve read a lot about it. It’s said that the testosterone production begins to decline when you’re around 25 years old. I believe that symptoms of andropause are common. A lot of men in their 30’s don’t have morning erections anymore. The erections could get a little softer, and the sensitivity a bit reduced. These are all symptoms of andropause, or estrogen dominance. Loss of morning erections is the first thing that happens when the testosterone/estrogen ratio shifts in favor of estrogen.
Enden, can you share some sources about average ages for specific populations and the occurrence of nocturnal/morning erections?
I don’t have any. I’ve talked to other men, and I’ve read a lot on elitefitness.com and MESO-Rx’s forum. However, it’s a fact that the testosterone production decreases as men age, and that they lose their morning erections because of estrogen dominance.
I’m not disagreeing that testosterone production decreases as men age, however this is not the same as men losing morning erections naturally at or after 30. It’s a question of the age that the effect disappears. I’m not trying to cause an argument but this number seems way too young for healthy males to lose this physiological function.
The testosterone/estrogen ratio doesn’t have to change much before you lose the morning erections, and if the testosterone production begins to decline around age 25, well…
Sorry, I still think this is a leap to assume nocturnal/morning erections disappear after 30 simply because the androgen/estrogen ratios change a few years before. Here’s an exercpt from wiki:
wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_men_wake_up_with_an_erection
“All males, regardless of age, get erections several times during the night during REM sleep. In the beginning you cycle through the stages fairly rapidly about every 90 minutes, but as your body rests you spend less time in the more restful stages of sleep and more time in REM sleep.”
Also, this study suggests that 30 is about 20 years too early for nocturnal erections to disappear even for men with ED:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14973521
Effect of aging on quality of nocturnal erections: evaluation with NPTR testing.
Yaman O, Tokatli Z, Ozdiler E, Anafarta K.
Source
Department of Urology, School of Medicine, University of Ankara, B-1 Blok, No. 15, 06680 Cankaya, Ankara, Turkey. yaman@medicine.ankara.edu.tr
Abstract
Nocturnal penile tumescence and rigidity testing (NPTR) has traditionally been performed to distinguish psychogenic from organic impotence. However, considerable lack of uniformly accepted normative data for NPTR readings makes the reproducibility of the method questionable. In this study, we try to evaluate the impact of aging as independent criteria for quality of erectile episodes. A total of 455 patients (ages 20-71 y) whose initial complaints were erectile dysfunction underwent two nights NPTR measurement with Rigiscan device. After analyzing the data, 353 men out of 455 were regarded as having normal NPTR recordings. The number of normal erectile episodes (erectile episode of penile tip rigidity greater than 60% more than 10 min duration), RAU Tip, RAU Base, TAU Tip, TAU Base, Average event rigidity of Tip (%), Average event rigidity of Base (%) and Duration of erectile episodes > or =60% minute were re-evaluated with regard to five age groups (group I: <30 y; group II: 30-39 y; group III: 40-49 y; group IV: 50-59 y; group V: > or =60 y). The mean values of erectile episodes in the age groups were as follows: group I, 2.46; group II, 2.28; group III, 2.40; group IV, 1.58; group V, 1.27. When we analyzed the groups between themselves, we observed statistically significant difference after the age of 50 y. The mean erectile episodes in patients younger than 50 y were 2.37 (s.d.: 1.50), whereas 1.49 (s.d.: 1.15) in patients older than 50 y (P<0.001). We also observed statistically significant difference at all of the above-mentioned NPTR parameters with regard to age. The results of our study showed that aging negatively influence quality of nocturnal erections especially after 50 y and we suggest that age needs to be taken into account in the diagnostic interpretation of NPTR testing.
I personally think Enden is talking absolute nonsense. ‘MOST’ men will have normal sexual functioning well past 30 and even 40.
Loss of morning erections doesn’t mean that they’re unable to achieve satisfying erections. Softer erections and thereby a bit reduced sensitivity doesn’t mean that they can’t enjoy sex and have an orgasm.
Spontaneous erections will decrease as men age, as well.
Only our group of ED stricken young men would debate over something like this. 
I’d rather be exchanging studies on how to start getting morning erections again.
Here’s another study to throw into the mix.
The bolded parts stuck out for me. I believe Fin accelerated these “organic changes” and we all better do what we can to stave off further destruction.
Also, not sure if 3 is a typo but 3 years old!?
It really is crazy how this site has no guys that used finasteride for BPH given that they use the 5 mg dosage. We only have a few dutasteride victims too.
Weird.
This is the second thread in which you’ve posted this information, or at least the second thread I’ve seen. It is not strange at all considering Proscar is usually prescribed to older/aging males who are in age brackets in which ED begins to or already has begun to naturally occur, not to mention that these older males did not grow up with the same internet resources as the younger males and are much less likely to use the internet as we are.
Please stop spamming the forum with nonsensical statements.
Spam? shut up you fucking idiot. I will post what i want, where i want
All the points you just made are moot and probably way off, as usual. Natural decline in sexual functioning and cognitive ability do not even compare to PFS, i believe that even a 60 year old man would be deeply troubled by the symptoms of PFS. So YES it IS strange.
Then it’s probably best if you left the forum, for your own sake as well as everyone else’s.
You just can’t seem to keep your hands off the keys for a while. You have the second highest number of posts on here ever, over 1500, and you haven’t even got around to seeing a uro or endo yet! You’ve just emptied the shelves of various online ‘pharmacies’ based on whatever crap theory happens to be popular that week.
Most of the regulars know to take your posts with a pinch of salt, to put it mildly. However, this forum is a database for new victims arriving here and God knows what they must think when they see your ill-informed, contradictory ramblings sprayed all over the place.
There’s even the odd dumbass who might take you seriously, like that guy who said you were a ‘hero’ for going on fin again. Plus, you are unfailingly rude to other guys with worse symptoms most of the time.
Oh what a surprise, Mr ‘I am the worst, i have lost my muscles’ Luckfax has came to talk utter tripe too. I was just pointing out that it’s strange we have no BPH finasteride users on the forum given the high dosage. MartinM’s rant was completely unnecessary. I was just writing down my thoughts. Pointless maybe but so what?
I don’t have all of these posts for nothing mate. I am the Messiah of the post finasteride world.